Please Reconsider MSQ Changes

[Iscah]

Good 'ol times of the darklight! Fights were pretty interesting, 'tho.

I get the sense that it must have been - and I assume we're missing out on some fight dialogue now because we've steamrolled over to the next section of the fight before they've finished their script?

In the last few seconds of the Ultima Weapon fight, I gather that it was beginning to cast Ultima again because Hydaelyn says she cannot shield you a second time - but it's dead immediately after that. I'm guessing it was meant to be a rush then to defeat it before the spell wiped you all out.

I've also never quite understood what was going on when the primal essences get removed from the Weapon. The whole thing is over in seconds now - did we originally have to fight them for longer?

Also I went exploring in the Castrum yesterday after everyone left, to try to improve my terrible sense of direction there, and realised there are all those cannons arranged on the path leading up to the train depot. I guess it was originally designed that everyone would man the cannons because the enemies were too tough to take on with normal abilities?

We need to bring that back especial now you cant skip CS anymore, would love to see all those who "claimed" to help out newbs would like to run it again. :x

That would change everything in a very different way. People wouldn't have been using it for an easy speed-run in the first place; fights wouldn't take less time than the cutscene leading into them; and people might be more inclined to wait for the cutscene-watcher because they actually *need* that extra team member.

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I've tested the DPS queue a couple of times recently - 7:00pm Saturday evening and 9:00pm Monday night (GMT+11 on a server that has a lot of GMT+8 people). I signed up as DPS for just long enough to get my number in the queue, then dropped out. Both times I was #6 with an average wait time of 12 minutes.

Queuing back in as tank, I *did* have to wait - evidently the only tank in the queue - and got a partner in about two minutes each time. Although one tank promptly left when we got the Praetorium, and we didn't get another until the fight with Nero, so about 10-15 minutes between tanks queuing there I guess. Average times are average. (And I got to experience being the one doing that massive pull down the ramp! Haven't done that before because I'm usually happier to stand back and let the other guy do it, and suddenly there *wasn't* another guy... so, nerve-wracking but also pretty cool and I think I got it right.)

Other than that one person that dropped out, everyone who I've talked to in the roulette seems to have just accepted the changes - obviously the ones who are really unhappy aren't going to be there in the first place, but when we've got people who weren't previously aware of the change and ask why it's not letting them skip, they seem to be understanding of the reason.

I've had some fun conversations too. Everything from game lore to what flavoured popcorn we've brought with us.

[Dualblade]

During the first half of the Ultima Weapon fight, each phase change was shown via one of the Primals being taken out/"freed" from Ultima. When all three were released the first fight ends, then we get the cutscene before going to the second Ultima Weapon fight. Near the end of the second fight it does indeed begin casting Ultima, which if it manages to do so causes a wipe.

[Iscah]

Ah, phase changes. Now each phase lasts for about two seconds and Ifrit's fire circles are overlapping Titan's earth circles...

So I guess it was meant to be that we fought it for long enough to deplete that primal's power stored in the Weapon?

[TaranTatsuuchi]

Ah, phase changes. Now each phase lasts for about two seconds and Ifrit's fire circles are overlapping Titan's earth circles...

So I guess it was meant to be that we fought it for long enough to deplete that primal's power stored in the Weapon?

During the fights there's flashes of light from Hydaelyn.

I believe those coincide with the primals getting stripped, and they also refill stuff like mana and tp iirc.

[Vstarstruck]

I've been queueing for it daily as a dps and there's been no difference in queue times. So nope, still waiting for the never ending queue people predicted.

I asked someone on your dc to queue for it.
It started with a 16 people wait, est more then 30 mins.

30 mins later it droped down to 6
then:
https://i.gyazo.com/5b36164391adb767...bc2e1eb8b9.png
sorry queues are def longer then before for DPS

With a 50 min queue time (as of last update ) and a 30-50 min df run, you get more poetics and exp spaming PotD, and that does not require a daily bonus to beat MSQ's progress with one.

Edit: popped @ 54 mins
https://i.gyazo.com/fbe509021746805c...eeef821ac9.png
sometime just after this

[Dualblade]

Ah, phase changes. Now each phase lasts for about two seconds and Ifrit's fire circles are overlapping Titan's earth circles...

So I guess it was meant to be that we fought it for long enough to deplete that primal's power stored in the Weapon?

In the couple runs I've done recently I haven't seen any overlapping mechanics that didn't before. There are mechanics that are supposed to happen pretty much about as fast as a RDM doublecast though, all of which are Ifrit and Titan ones if I remember correctly from the ARR days.

Basically though the first round against Ultima Weapon we are tying it down long enough for Hydaelyn to pull the primals out of it. Then she shields us from the Ultima spell, leaving her heavily spent for the fight,and other consequences afterwards.

[Coratanni]

have fun with your inefficient rate of poetics and exp i guess? I guess you are not a DPS, cus that is not true for that.

Ill be funny to me if Tanks stop becoming instant for this though

Perhaps you didnt read what I said. I ran it with different classes. Let me broaden my comment. I went as a Warrior, a Bard an as an Astrologian. The Queue times were the same for me as they were before when I leveled my other main's classes to 70(i have 18 level 70's if you don't count both arcanist jobs for each). I've leveled ALOT over the last 3 years.

Chill it with the doom and gloom. Most predictions in life that are that way, will prove to be false. I can promise you that.

[Ampheni]

They REALLY should just make it a solo instance and maybe let the player have a couple npcs with them during the instance similar to squad dungeons, so they could maintain the difficulty of the duty and new players doesnt have to wait for ages to queue into the duty PLUS feel actually accomplished something for finishing the duty.

[Alleo]

Perhaps you didnt read what I said. I ran it with different classes. Let me broaden my comment. I went as a Warrior, a Bard an as an Astrologian.

So two out of the three runs where with jobs that barely have any problems getting into stuff anyway. Maybe you got lucky with Bard and it was on a good time, maybe we are all just too negative about it or not..at the end SE already decided that the reward is not enough. Why would they increase the reward if people are fine with it and running it like before? Well for me it seems more that their data does show less interest than before and that people might not feel like the reward is good enough.

[Stigmar]

I really can't understand why they did it this way honestly yes make it unable to skip IF new person is in there, however I do not agree with forcing a complete group of players who actually want to speed run it and are not new shouldn't forced to watch cut scenes they seen.

The easier fix would of been to set it up so it can detect a group with a new person and a group with no new person they already can do it since it does it with the new guy bonus. All this fix has done is made it where I will not touch the MSQ roulette as the tomes isn't worth it nor is the exp for the time it takes to sit through it, and on that note am sure am not alone and the queues are probably long now I haven't tried since the one time after the patch came and saw how the exp was pretty much the same and half the party went afk during cutscenes to watch Netflix which made it even longer.