Please Reconsider MSQ Changes

[XiXiQ]

People who actually know what they are doing won't be doing "Nothing".

Then everybody I have ever met clearly don't know what they are doing, I have never seen ANYONE EVER in 3+ years sit around and desynth in a MSQ dungeon. They just stand there (or some jump about, whoopee). They had their chance to do this previously, but no - they decided to kick new players watching cutscenes instead. Let them out of the cutscenes, and that is precisely what they will continue to do (rather than minding their own business "desynthing").

This is their reward. I've no sympathy, and this isn't going to make me any more/less likely to run them than before. In fact (and going by the queues I have seen so far) I suspect the only ones complaining about this now were first in line to toss any new player that come into these dungeons. So now they can stop running them and everyone else (the new people along with those content to show these people some patience and help) will continue to do it.

Frankly, I'm actually glad steamrolling newbies isn't an "efficient" use of anyone's time anymore.

[Jxnibbles]

Snip.. Frankly, I'm actually glad steamrolling newbies isn't an "efficient" use of anyone's time anymore.

Yet the content is still steamrolled because of item level people are still going to mass pull everything burn everything the only difference is everyone has to now watch cutscenes.

At this point may as well be consistent make every cutscene in every other duty follow this same formula. If no new players may as well force everyone to rewatch the cutscenes. Have every cutscene scroll just like the msq because new players apparently can all read and grasp the story at the same speed.

Not every new player wanted to watch 30 minutes of cutscenes.

As for nobody ever desynthing I already stated players who are efficient will desynth while waiting for players. Just because you never seen it in 3 years doesn't mean people won't desynth in duties and not every person who desynthesis items kicks new players.

Who is they that "kicked" new players? People who jumped? Players who desnyth?

[XiXiQ]

Who is they that "kicked" new players? People who jumped? Players who desnyth?
At this point may as well be consistent make every cutscene in every other duty follow this same formula.

No, the impatient who forced the new people to "watch at the inn" or be kicked.

There's no need to worry about other dungeons, unless the complaints about those mount as well. So be kind to the new guys.

[Jxnibbles]

No, the impatient who forced the new people to "watch at the inn" or be kicked.

There's no need to worry about other dungeons, unless the complaints about those mount as well. So be kind to the new guys.

I don't care if the new players watch cutscenes since I am not bothered by it. If I am being forced to be nice to players just to avoid forced cutscenes.. I will gladly take those cutscenes I won't be someone I am not.

[Reynhart]

I will gladly take those cutscenes I won't be someone I am not.

I'm sorry, I'm not sure I understood correctly.
Did you just write that you're ready to suffer SE's current decision on MSQ just so you don't have to be nice to others ?

[Vstarstruck]

Everything you said assumes numbers we don't know.
I'm not saying that anything COULD or could not have been done. Just that it hasn't and it's very unlikely it will be now.
Not knowing any numbers how can you be so sure of the amount of people quitting because of whatever problem? There could have been thousands of accounts that showed people played till ARR finale then immediately quit. But I also do not know these numbers so i cannot argue majority or minority, just what they've done and what is likely to get done based on the path of past changes.

It still needs changes, it's not good for everyone right now, but it seems that they're in the mind that new players WANT to be able to see those instances as originally experienced by others and the devs want this to be the default and not the exception. I'm not defending their choices (though I personally agree the way MSQ used to run sucked for new people interested in the story) , I'm trying to suggest things that they'd be inclined to change rather than ignore as fanciful pipe dreams.

If it was a big problem like you are trying to make it out to be, the would did something sooner. They did this change blindly to be doing so this late in the game. You know the evidence this is not a well thought out change? The fact it has the same effect in unsyc and playing them in the inn, like not having the dialog option n the inn, means they made a rushed decision and not thought out change. They prob did this from simply getting tired of listening to the outspoken minority, not realizing the majority would not be happy.

No, the impatient who forced the new people to "watch at the inn" or be kicked.

There's no need to worry about other dungeons, unless the complaints about those mount as well. So be kind to the new guys.

that never happened, people only kicked new players if they where being overly obnoxious in mouthing off to people about speed running when it is explained time and time again, a lot of people did it a 100+ times and that be a good idea to watch at inn or make a pf if they are that bothered that much over it. (even then some groups put up with it and cleared it anyway)

Most groups just let them watch the CS as people moved on fight to fight, most weren't bothered after communicating. What is next? they make you open every chest in PotD before moving on the next floor because of chest drama vs speedrun? personally I seen more drama there then in MSQ, since you HAVE to kick them to move on after you communicate the situation.

[Skivvy]

They prob did this from simply getting tired of listening to the outspoken minority, not realizing the majority would not be happy.

You continue to speak as if you know numbers, you don't. No one does. It really doesn't help anyone's cause to constantly throw out statements like this as they're quite easy to dismiss.

that never happened, people only kicked new players if they where being overly obnoxious in mouthing off to people about speed running when it is explained time and time again, a lot of people did it a 100+ times and that be a good idea to watch at inn or make a pf if they are that bothered that much over it. (even then some groups put up with it and cleared it anyway)

Also, I've been in a group that kicked a sprout, seemingly for nothing more than watching CSs. Was just once, but to claim it never happens isn't true.

What exactly is your complaint with the change? It's been lost in all the back and forth over these last several pages.

I solo queued as a BLM, and it was about a 20 minute wait. If that queue time can be maintained after this initial patch release, that's really not that bad. Sprouts will continue to get their MSQ done in a fairly timely manner.

My current complaint, after giving it a go myself, is that the CSs are unskippable in parties without sprouts and even PF groups. That is just a weird decision all around. I don't think CSs should be forced in either of those cases.

It would be nice for them to also implement a vote to skip the CS, but I can't see that working well with this community. If the vote failed, I imagine there could be hounding of the new player, vote/dismiss abuse, and spoilers thrown out just to spite whomever they think didn't vote "yes" to skipping.

[Vstarstruck]

Also, I've been in a group that kicked a sprout, seemingly for nothing more than watching CSs. Was just once, but to claim it never happens isn't true.

Ya ok, I never seen that happen outside once and it was not even for that. It was by the time you get in the middle of it, and the person did not move from the start point or said anything, it had nothing to do with watching cut scenes. What if you are assuming it was for that because of no communication?

What exactly is your complaint with the change? It's been lost in all the back and forth over these last several pages.

I been repeating it over and over again to those select few that keep defending this and it keeps getting ignored.

1. You do not force people do something. You give them a choice. Making people watch cut scenes because a select few do not know how to communicate should not be happening. That is extreme babying and pretty insulting in my view.
2. You do not make a change that harms the majority because of a few outspoken minority, I do not see forced changed on PotD, a place that has higher frequency of complainants of "speed running"
3. You do not make a change half baked, it clearly was in the fact it had on the inn and pf/unsync/ premade groups
4. Lack of contamination by development. Are they keeping silent because they do not want to admit of making a change that had a "positive" effect on the select few? there is even new players that do not want to sit there and have to watch these. I bet you they outnumber the people that care about the CS too, but you are not going to hear about them because in the past, there was nothing effecting them in a negative light.
5. they stated the rewards would compensate for the time spent, they don't. You want vets to help out while having to watch these things? give 200 current tomes, otherwise those that care how their time spent is not going to bother.
6. If they really wanted to address this problem (if one really existed on a mass scale, and it clearly doesn't since this small change happened 2 expansions later) they would make it solo instance with squads or something.
7. This change harms everyone, longer queue times because less people are willing to do it.

People that care about these CS is clearly a minority because look how many threads are made on that issue? and the fact most runs went without issue? esp with talking to people? the fact it was changed after all this time? I think there is lot of circumstantial evidence that points this was a hasty change based on the minority. Saying "we have no real proof" is not going to change my mind, not with how many times I ran that.

Also I think it deserves to be noted not only by my personal experience, or this coming from that, it is also coming from others I know, and one of them leveled 50-60 DRG off purely in it during HW, then again 60-70 in SB before this change. Along with running it daily to help other jobs.

[Beckett]

Yet the content is still steamrolled because of item level people are still going to mass pull everything burn everything the only difference is everyone has to now watch cutscenes.

There is a huge difference between participating in an easy fight, and completely missing a fight (or several fights!) because your party did them while you were still in a cutscene. A new player may be a bit confused by the mass pulls, but that's nothing compared to the confusion they'll face when watching a cutscene that says they're going to fight a boss, then as soon as the scene ends they immediately wind up in another cutscene congratulating them on beating the boss.

And there's obviously a huge difference between participating in easy fights and being outright kicked from the instance just because you wanted to watch the cutscenes.

[Felis]

At this point may as well be consistent make every cutscene in every other duty follow this same formula. If no new players may as well force everyone to rewatch the cutscenes. Have every cutscene scroll just like the msq because new players apparently can all read and grasp the story at the same speed

Other contents don't need a change. Most of them have 1 CS at the beginning, where everyone are locked in a circle until the last person finished the CS, 1 CS at the start of the final boss and 1 CS at the end after killing the final boss.