Warrior is OP

[Schrute]

Wars are not op. IR is up every 90 seconds so it won't be up every big trash pull and every boss in a dungeon. Nor does it line up with raid buffs all the time or every 2 minutes, like it used to. War is not dumbed down, it became more versatile in game play. Before it had a very strict rotation and you could never
Stray from it or go into defiance without obliterating your dps. Now wars have more freedom with a little more power and it's not a cookie cutter, increase dmg or potency, buff. War has a great new identity from the other tanks, the crit tank. Pld is in a great spot and so is war. I liked the old 4.1 war, but I love the new 4.2 war.

[InnerBeastMode]

Nor does it line up with raid buffs all the time or every 2 minutes.

I see this argument a lot and I wonder: If Thrill still affects damage, and the CD for Thrill is 2 minutes, is it not wise to wait for Thrill and therefore align with party buffs as well?

[Schrute]

Thrill only affects upheaval. So one attack aligns with the 2 minute raid buffs. If you're using upheaval on cd it will be up for raid buffs at the two minute mark but will you hold thrill for this or will you stack it with IR for the direct crit?

[ULoki]

Shouldn't you be able to IR after you applied your storm's Eye buff? That's around 5 GCD which should align with Trick and every other Buffs.

[Aana]

I see this argument a lot and I wonder: If Thrill still affects damage, and the CD for Thrill is 2 minutes, is it not wise to wait for Thrill and therefore align with party buffs as well?

Generally, no you don't ever want to wait for raid buffs.

Example: Waiting a whole 30 seconds from 90-120. Over a 6 min:
Using on CD you get 4 uses of IR at 1.5, 3, 4.5, 6 min. 4x IR. 2x align with 120sec buffs.
Using on 120 sec you get 3 uses. 2, 4, 6 min. 3x IR. 3x align with 120 sec buffs.

(were ignoring the opener at 0 because everyone always gets that no matter what).

If you notice, you trade off TWO unbuffed IRs to get ONE with a little boost of 10% (or whatever % buff you are aligning with). 200% iR (2 uses) vs 1 use at 100%+X% where X is the buff. That's a terrible trade.

The simpler way to think about 'should I hold a skill for a buff' is as a % of the timer. Think of it this way. 9 seconds is 10% of the CD on IR. Every 9 sec you wait you are delay the NEXT IR by 10%. Lowering the effectiveness of the skill by 10%. Delaying it by 30 sec means you lost 33% of the CD so you lost 33% of an entire IR. Is that buff from waiting bigger than 33%? If the answer is yes, then wait. If no, then don't.

Practical example:
Eye buff (10% damage) just fell off. Upheaval is up. Do you wait 7.5 sec to do an Eye combo then upheaval, or just upheaval right now? Upheaval is a 30sec CD. 7.5 sec is 25% of 30 sec so waiting 'wastes' 25% of an upheaval. But waiting also gives your upheaval 10% more damage. 25%>10% so go ahead and use it without Eye. Its a damage gain.

Twist:
Same deal, but you just used maim. Do you upheaval now or wait 2.5 sec for Eye buff? 2.5sec is only 8.3% of upheavals CD so you are giving up 8.3% of an upheaval to gain 10% damage. Wait the 1 gcd for the buff. Its a damage gain to wait.

You can apply that logic to every CD in the game. Time is a resource and sitting on CDs wastes that resource.

Every moment you sit on a CD is pushing the next use farther away. Imagine just not hitting the next piece of your GCD combo for 5 sec to wait for a raid buff. That's silly. You are delaying your GCDs for a 5-10% buff? No. Just use them on cooldown. Buffs are the exact same thing just longer than 2.5 sec, but the principle is the same.