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  1. #911
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    DRKoftheAzure's Avatar
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    Strea Leonhart
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    Diabolos
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Rosalynd View Post
    Annnd done, boycotting tanking until the devs remember that DRK exists.

    Edit: Might also take to vote kicking every warrior i see, simply out of spite.
    You do realize WAR got more nerfed to where them constantly landing Direct Critical Hits is not going to to help WARs in DPS, right...? PLD abilities were fine the way they were with exception of Shield Bash which is better as an oGCD cooldown attack... Bereserk was fine but Inner Release changes because of Berserk nerf is a really big nerf...
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  2. #912
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    Gulvioir Muruc
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    Gilgamesh
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Dark Changes are good, there need to be more of them. Delirium is not enough of a change on its own.

    Dark passenger needs higher potency and less mana to be useful
    raise bloodspiller so TBN is really dps neutral.
    Lower dark arts costs by 400 mana to 2000 per cast

    Then dark knight will be above/near paladin. Anything less and dark is dead for another raid.

    I'm very surprised that warrior has seen so many heavy handed adjustments, I think this is the third or fourth overhual of skills in one expansion. Mean while Darks are still trying to get dark passenger to be worth while on a single target for the past 7 months.
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  3. #913
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    DRKoftheAzure's Avatar
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Praesul View Post
    I mean the delirium change is 100% a DPS gain, how significant of a gain remains to be seen but it's literally more DPS.

    The TBN change means you're more incentivized to use it now, in ALL content, since it will be easier to pop so it's not a DPS loss now. TBN can be used to cover the gaps in between cooldown usage AND supplement your cooldowns too when needed. 7 seconds is plenty of time for it to pop even when being hit by wet noodle auto attacks.

    Bear in mind that PLD DPS was lowered, and WAR changes are kinda up in the air while people math things out. Right now, DRK is the only tank that is 100% being buffed no questions asked.
    Delirium and TBN still sucks no matter how you look at it... adjusting recast and duration only partially fixes what is wrong with them because TBN is still going to cost a huge chunk of MP and Delirium is still going to cost blood gauge...
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  4. #914
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    Praesul's Avatar
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    Praesul Presul
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    Balmung
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    Quote Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure View Post
    Delirium and TBN still sucks no matter how you look at it... adjusting recast and duration only partially fixes what is wrong with them because TBN is still going to cost a huge chunk of MP and Delirium is still going to cost blood gauge...
    TBN is amazing, probably the best shield in the game. It pays for itself if it breaks because you get a bloodspiller out of it. You're trading one dark arts for a big shield + bloodspiller.

    Also it doesn't matter if Delirium costs blood, what? Spending blood on Delirium over Bloodspiller is already a dps gain.
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  5. #915
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    Tolby Seyfert
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    Blacksmith Lv 70
    Well it was nice to get excited for DRK, even though I should have known better.

    It's a start but we've got a long ways to go. Perseverance bros, lets make DRK great again.
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  6. #916
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    Gulvioir Muruc
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    Gilgamesh
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Praesul View Post
    TBN is amazing, probably the best shield in the game. It pays for itself if it breaks because you get a bloodspiller out of it. You're trading one dark arts for a big shield + bloodspiller.

    Also it doesn't matter if Delirium costs blood, what? Spending blood on Delirium over Bloodspiller is already a dps gain.
    Delirium is such a small gain there is really no reason for it to cost 50 Blood. Give us the 2400 mana with no cost and we are still looking at a skill which gives 1/3rd of the return of requiscat or inner release.
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  7. #917
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    Chloe Lehideux
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    Samurai Lv 74
    Quote Originally Posted by Praesul View Post
    TBN is amazing, probably the best shield in the game. It pays for itself if it breaks because you get a bloodspiller out of it. You're trading one dark arts for a big shield + bloodspiller.

    Also it doesn't matter if Delirium costs blood, what? Spending blood on Delirium over Bloodspiller is already a dps gain.
    Divine veil <cough>
    Intervention <cough cough>
    Cover <cough cough cough>

    0 MP cost all of that on one class <cough cough cough cough>
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    Last edited by Nedkel; 01-26-2018 at 11:35 PM.

  8. #918
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    Praesul's Avatar
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    Praesul Presul
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    Balmung
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkel View Post
    Divine veil <cough>
    Intervention <cough cough>
    Cover <cough cough cough>

    0 MP cost <cough cough cough cough>
    Oh yeah I forgot you could use divine veil and cover every 15 seconds, I also wasn't aware intervention was usable on self.

    One is a raid defense buff that does not apply to the user, the other is a strictly worse TBN, and the last one is not a shield.

    Not to say that those abilities aren't good because they are but if you're going to compare at least compare apples to apples.
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  9. #919
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    Praesul's Avatar
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    Balmung
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Chrono_Rising View Post
    Delirium is such a small gain there is really no reason for it to cost 50 Blood. Give us the 2400 mana with no cost and we are still looking at a skill which gives 1/3rd of the return of requiscat or inner release.
    That's because PLD and WAR potencies are worse across the board, so their buffs are stronger. You can't directly compare them. Delirium will be a relatively smaller gain because our base damage is already high (for a tank).
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  10. #920
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    Rasikko Rakitto
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    Lamia
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    Dark Knight Lv 64
    At this point, it's probably wiser to not ask for any more buffs.
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