DRK Consolidated Feedback Thread

[Praesul]

Delirium and TBN still sucks no matter how you look at it... adjusting recast and duration only partially fixes what is wrong with them because TBN is still going to cost a huge chunk of MP and Delirium is still going to cost blood gauge...

TBN is amazing, probably the best shield in the game. It pays for itself if it breaks because you get a bloodspiller out of it. You're trading one dark arts for a big shield + bloodspiller.

Also it doesn't matter if Delirium costs blood, what? Spending blood on Delirium over Bloodspiller is already a dps gain.

[Chrono_Rising]

TBN is amazing, probably the best shield in the game. It pays for itself if it breaks because you get a bloodspiller out of it. You're trading one dark arts for a big shield + bloodspiller.

Also it doesn't matter if Delirium costs blood, what? Spending blood on Delirium over Bloodspiller is already a dps gain.

Delirium is such a small gain there is really no reason for it to cost 50 Blood. Give us the 2400 mana with no cost and we are still looking at a skill which gives 1/3rd of the return of requiscat or inner release.

[Praesul]

Delirium is such a small gain there is really no reason for it to cost 50 Blood. Give us the 2400 mana with no cost and we are still looking at a skill which gives 1/3rd of the return of requiscat or inner release.

That's because PLD and WAR potencies are worse across the board, so their buffs are stronger. You can't directly compare them. Delirium will be a relatively smaller gain because our base damage is already high (for a tank).

[Chrono_Rising]

That's because PLD and WAR potencies are worse across the board, so their buffs are stronger. You can't directly compare them. Delirium will be a relatively smaller gain because our base damage is already high (for a tank).

Higher sustained potency on dark knight is balanced by higher burst on the other tanks. It’s not vacuum math, we see it in practice and on paper. Increasing the 2 minute potency of delirium by about 1200 potency brings us to exactly the same potency per second we see on the others when you take into account their burst.

[Praesul]

Higher sustained potency on dark knight is balanced by higher burst on the other tanks. It’s not vacuum math, we see it in practice and on paper.

Well PLD got hit with a 2 - 3% nerf, and WAR's damage seems to be shuffled from their burst window to their sustained damage through naked fell cleaves, so less emphasis on their burst (especially now that it doesn't line with as many raid buffs, in fact litany and battle voice are literally useless for WARs now unless those buffs are used outside of the inner release window now.)

[Chrono_Rising]

Well PLD got hit with a 2 - 3% nerf, and WAR's damage seems to be shuffled from their burst window to their sustained damage through naked fell cleaves, so less emphasis on their burst (especially now that it doesn't line with as many raid buffs, in fact litany and battle voice are literally useless for WARs now unless those buffs are used outside of the inner release window now.)

The trade off for War is unknown at the moment. We have no idea how exactly this will impact their dps if at all. paladin is definitely losing damage. But I believe they will still be ahead of dark knight. Warrior is just more complicated to work though it’s rotation since the change is drastic.

[Nedkel]

TBN is amazing, probably the best shield in the game. It pays for itself if it breaks because you get a bloodspiller out of it. You're trading one dark arts for a big shield + bloodspiller.

Also it doesn't matter if Delirium costs blood, what? Spending blood on Delirium over Bloodspiller is already a dps gain.

Divine veil <cough>
Intervention <cough cough>
Cover <cough cough cough>

0 MP cost all of that on one class <cough cough cough cough>

[Praesul]

Divine veil <cough>
Intervention <cough cough>
Cover <cough cough cough>

0 MP cost <cough cough cough cough>

Oh yeah I forgot you could use divine veil and cover every 15 seconds, I also wasn't aware intervention was usable on self.

One is a raid defense buff that does not apply to the user, the other is a strictly worse TBN, and the last one is not a shield.

Not to say that those abilities aren't good because they are but if you're going to compare at least compare apples to apples.

[Nedkel]

Oh yeah I forgot you could use divine veil and cover every 15 seconds, I also wasn't aware intervention was usable on self.

One is a raid defense buff that does not apply to the user, the other is a strictly worse TBN, and the last one is not a shield.

Not to say that those abilities aren't good because they are but if you're going to compare at least compare apples to apples.

You cant cast it every 15 sec, you dont have infinite mana pool (unless it will break every time) or you could but it will cost you a chunk of your DPS to do so,.
PLD maintain the same if not higher dps, has all of these game changers and clemency on top of that with 2.5 sec recast, healing for around 20% hp of your own and half hp of anyone not tanky in the team.

The ability is not bad, but it will not change anything on its own unfortunately.

[Praesul]

You cant cast it every 15 sec, you dont have infinite mana pool or you could but it will cost you a chunk of your DPS to do so.
PLD maintain the same if not higher dps, has all of these game changers and clemency on top of that with 2.5 sec recast, healing for around 20% hp of your own and half hp of anyone not tanky in the team.

It does not cost you DPS to use the MP on TBN. If the shield breaks, you get blood. That's a free bloodspiller. You're trading a dark arts for a bloodspiller.

Clemency is literally a DPS loss because the MP cost decreases requiescat damage and reduces how many holy spirits you can cast AND is on the GCD.