Sad experiences of a newbie

[whiskeybravo]

"You don't pay mine either"

Because direct verbal abuse of a player is equivalent to a dungeon taking 3 extra minutes?

Intelligent.

[Skivvy]

Because direct verbal abuse of a player is equivalent to a dungeon taking 3 extra minutes?

Intelligent.

Point is, if someone is being a twat, you don't stoop to their level. What good does that accomplish? All that will most likely happen is you'll end up in someone's story in the "Tales from DF" thread about this horrible sprout they ran into who wouldn't listen to advice, and claimed "you don't pay my sub!".

[Sebazy]

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Hiya, I'd be very very interested in seeing any examples of this that you might have kept? Any logs or screenshots? If you don't want to link them here, I'm on the same server as you and as such I'd be happy to throw some advice back your way if you are willing. /tell Sebazy Spiritwalker, I'm always afk these days, but I'm usually within earshot of my speakers, I'll do my best to ensure I respond in good time.

I will add, some context regarding the issues you faced would really help here as well.

I'm used to more traditional healing model - me, a healer, just heal. From the garbage thrown my way I gathered I'm supposed to dps too. Apparently for most people I healed too little, dps'd too little, then healed too little, then dps'd too little... you get the idea. I admit, I'm a slow learner, and learning how to juggle healing, dps and buffs (I decided to focus on astrologian) is tough for me, since I don't get a lot of time to play in general.

I'm going to hazard a guess that you are trying build a house before you've laid the foundations. Don't worry about your DPS yet, frankly, don't worry too much about your buffs either. Healing effectively is the very core of your job and until you get that down, don't let yourself get distracted by talk of ABC, DPS and Optimisation, it's nigh meaningless at this stage of your gameplay.

You'll see a chatter here about optimal play and things you could be trying to do, but remember that all of that means nothing if you're letting people die. These things will come to you gradually as you progress through the game and get more comfortable with your abilities and hotkey layout. You'll do best when you progress at your own pace, not anyone elses.

Some tips for you if you do decide to stick about:

Switch back to WHM, seriously, AST's card mechanics are great, but they are a distraction that I get the impression you are not ready for. WHM is just a classic brute force healer and is a no nonsense straightforward job to play, perfect for allowing you to focus on learning how the game works rather than worrying about chasing a decent card whilst your tank dies.

Communicate. This is so important i'm going to say it again in the largest bold font I can. COMMUNICATE. People will be a lot more forgiving and helpful if you just mention that you're new to the game and request that they go easy at the start of the dungeon.

Do you find yourself making the same errors repeatedly? Don't be afraid to adjust and shuffle your hotkey layout at this point. Being comfortable with your keys is vitally important.

Still making mistakes? Consider recording yourself for a completely truthful and unbiased overview on what's going wrong, on the PC you can use Shadowplay or OBS, on the PS4, consider uploading unlisted clips to your youtube account.

[Ghastly]

Wish you could stay in ffxiv (it's the best mmorpg there is). The ffxiv community is actually the best I've see. Sadly you probably found a streak of jerks in most/all your duties. Normally in ffxiv people are helpful and teach boss mechanics (though I've noticed an attitude recently where people have stopped teaching boss fights which is something I always fight against and should be called out).

Hope you give ffxiv another chance, the community is more good than bad. The bad apples are few in general, compared to most mmos.

[Metalwrath]

I mean, I guess that ultimately depends on your definition of "advice"



Is this your definition of advice?

You wont just get random people in every instance hurling insults at you for no reason.If there is a constant pattern its not the randoms that are causing it and its something with the individual.
Its better to get to the bottom of whats causing the conflict be it intentional or uninentional than advise the new player to be a prick back to them.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I am pretty lazy when I heal, and I've yet to have anyone throw insults at me for not dps'ing. I had someone yell at me for not aoeing on SAM once, after my tp was out from aoeing...

[Selova]

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This is the type of advice you want to avoid listening to. There is nothing good that comes from fighting rude attitudes and behavior with more rude attitudes and behavior.

All the "You don't pay my sub" excuse does is display your lack of maturity and your incompetence of not only playing with others in a group, but also your lack of communicating with them as well.


Don't be this person or heed their advice.

[RubenSnizzle]

Byelorussia

[SenorPatty]

Because direct verbal abuse of a player is equivalent to a dungeon taking 3 extra minutes?

Intelligent.

This quote below pretty much lays across what I was going for with what I said.

Point is, if someone is being a twat, you don't stoop to their level. What good does that accomplish? All that will most likely happen is you'll end up in someone's story in the "Tales from DF" thread about this horrible sprout they ran into who wouldn't listen to advice, and claimed "you don't pay my sub!".

With that out of the way, I'm just going to point one more thing as well. Abuse aside (which I don't condone in the first place), I've seen enough in "Tales of DF" where someone simply points out what someone else is doing wrong, as neutrally as possible and they're given the "you don't pay my sub" line. Some people view being called out as harassment. In these forums alone, I've seen people accuse others of being toxic just for disagreeing plainly with them.

I'm not discounting the OP's complaints but at the same time, I can't discount the possibility that OP could take being called out as harassment either. Either way, "You don't pay my sub" does nothing in the neutral and abusive situation. The better solution is blacklist, report for abuse and walk away. You can view this as a sign of cowardice or flatmat if you want but at the end of the day, personally, I'd rather not escalate and risk putting myself in a position where now I end up saying things I should never say in the first place than doing it to prove something.

[mandodo69]

OP never answered the single most important question asked so far. Did you buy a level boost potion?