Why the hate with endgame fights?

[KaldeaSahaline]

Savage content...well, if your idea of fun is fighting a single boss for fifteen minutes following an exact pattern to the letter, with deviations from it being one-shotted, well go nuts. Oh, and if your team gets one shotted enough, its enrage, just restart. And there's a pretty hard cap to difficulty to it, as well; they make it too hard, only 1% of the playerbase can beat it and the raid scene dies, because there's nothing else to do at that level.

Mind citing which 15 minute savage boss you're referencing?

While I understand your point, sometimes exaggeration hurts your case more than helping it. While you tend to be at odds with many posters here (myself included fairly frequently) I do actually agree that their design paradigm isn't what I personally call the epitome of fun because frequent one shots don't really allow for very dynamic gameplay.

The only problem I have with Normal versions is that sometimes they excluded entire phases. Ex-death and Neo-Exdeath for example. I mean it's kind of cool initially in Savage as sort of a new phase "reveal" that you haven't seen before, but only for the first time. I still think that the Neo phase should have existed in the Normal version too. Normal versions of many fights are far too easy. Too many mechanics taken out entirely and like I said before, some fights have entire phases taken out. Normal can still be easy but made more interesting by keeping the mechanics and phases from the Extreme/Savage versions.

In that case you'd be diminishing savage raiders experience. Are you ok with that?

I fully understand and agree that normal is incredibly trivial, but why don't you try Savage?

As someone who is "ready" to start savage content?

Its not the content I hate.

its the community.

This elitist "git gud" attitude and obsession with parser's really makes me not EVER want to do it.

At least until I get a large enough group of friends who respect one another and don't give a rats ass about perfection...but about having fun in clearing said content.

Just my 2 cents.

You've made it fairly clear you are concerned about being held accountable for your performance and that you'd possibly be open to tackling Savage if you could find 7 others who would like to just try without any expectations (week 1 learning parties are very good for this btw).

Personally, I believe you're significantly overstating the "git gud/elistism/parser" bit a lot. As a person who has cleared this tiers Savage and most of it in pugs, the only time anything like this gets brought up is if someone is egregiously not contributing to the success of the team (i.e. 1600 DPS tank, 0 DPS healer, someone who is dead numerous times, 2k DPS SAM, etc.).

If you're at all interested in advice, it would be go in do your best, accept responsibility when you make a mistake and try to fix it. Even when people are frustrated, it's incredibly hard to take it out on someone who is trying and not making excuses.

I will help teach even some of the most awful players in this game if they accept responsibility, ask for help, and try their best. I like to believe others share this sentiment.

I will not devote an iota of time/effort to any player who makes excuses, or simply isn't trying and is looking for a hard carry.

I have to agree with this. It's not the content people hate, but the people that run it. The harder the content, the douchier the players involved. Most have no patience and expect perfection. If something goes wrong, there is always blaming or finger pointing going on, even in learning groups. Obviously not every person in higher end game fights are douchie, but you tend to find most of the toxic folk here.

Ironic. I find that the douchiest of players congregate at DF level. Here are some of my recent experiences:

• I spend more time getting called names for playing well
• Carrying players who were near AFK (pressing a button every 9-12s)
• Watching people talk trash based on flat out inaccurate assumptions (so and so you're not doing any DPS I am watching you, meanwhile that person is only 30 DPS behind them, and the HEALER IS ABOVE BOTH, and I the tank am above all 3...
• Being reported for asking a healer to DPS (they did EXACTLY 0 dps). They were active less than 18% of the entire dungeon. Imagine if I a tank or a DPS was only active 18% of a dungeon, how much fun would YOU be having?
• Being told I should have been aborted for ASKING if the other tank wanted some tips, not giving tips, merely asking if they were interested.
• Kicked from an FC because I said that Lakshmi EX was disappointing as an EX primal.
• Top DPS in Rabanastre on 2 bosses as a tank, (no bonuses in my alliance, can't speak for others).
• 2 back to back runs of O3N where I was top DPS as tank by a staggering margin, neither run had bonus. Fun fact, DIDN'T GET ANY LOOT EITHER.