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    Quote Originally Posted by Canopia View Post
    Unfortunately, those who are doing the "monitoring" arent really using it as a helpful tool. For every person using it as a helpful tool, there are at least three people being unhelpful tools. Either to stroke their own ePeen, by being condescending pricks tp attack those they deem inferior, or simply to try and segregate themselves from the "baddies". There are enough systems in the game for people to use in order to be jerks to their fellow player, we really dont need to try and put out a fire by pouring gasoline on it.

    A personal parser that you alone can see is fine, one that is essentially used to see other peoples parses is a recipe for abuse. Though no one really wants a personal parser but a small minority, the rest want public parsers so they can ostracize the unworthy under the guise of "helpful tool".
    If we're going to use anecdotal evidence, I've been in multiple Shinryu and a few Savage pugs with it being made apparent they're parsing yet not a single "condescending" remark. In fact, I more often find people take offense when told they aren't performing well regardless of the tone used. Look at the number of self admitted casual players in this thread generalizing all raiders who parse as toxic or advocating they should be banned instantly. Is it because all raiders are toxic or perhaps they're nervous about being held accountable?

    And a personal parse won't accomplish anything. People we just make PFs demanding you post your numbers in chat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    If we're going to use anecdotal evidence, I've been in multiple Shinryu and a few Savage pugs with it being made apparent they're parsing yet not a single "condescending" remark. In fact, I more often find people take offense when told they aren't performing well regardless of the tone used. Look at the number of self admitted casual players in this thread generalizing all raiders who parse as toxic or advocating they should be banned instantly. Is it because all raiders are toxic or perhaps they're nervous about being held accountable?

    And a personal parse won't accomplish anything. People we just make PFs demanding you post your numbers in chat.
    Im not generalizing, I did say there were some who used it in a constructive manner but there are more than use it for nonconstructive purposes. Also your point at the bottom just strengthens the "casual players" arguments against parsing than any of the people advocating for them.

    Oh and you guys can thumbs up circle jerk all you like, doesnt make your arguments any more convincing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canopia View Post
    Oh and you guys can thumbs up circle jerk all you like, doesnt make your arguments any more convincing
    This is proof to anyone to just not waste their time with this person. I don't "thumbs up" posts.

    The fact you even got personal or brought up something completely irrelevant to the actual discussion shows how fragile and pathetic your argument is. Just stop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canopia View Post
    Im not generalizing, I did say there were some who used it in a constructive manner but there are more than use it for nonconstructive purposes. Also your point at the bottom just strengthens the "casual players" arguments against parsing than any of the people advocating for them.

    Oh and you guys can thumbs up circle jerk all you like, doesnt make your arguments any more convincing
    I said people in this thread have generalized raiders. Nowhere did I insinuate you did, though your argument is based entirely on assumptions. You keep insisting parses will mostly be used to harass without a single shred of proof. Which contradicts your second response since that, in of itself, is a circle jerk. Since if I say "most players wouldn't harass if parses would made official." You have no bases to argue otherwise.

    Or perhaps I simply think your argues are poor and I "liked" the rebuttal. Couldn't just be that now could it.
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