Would you like an in-game parser?

[Arrius]

Peopel are focusing on ex-level content and the inability of players to want to do it or do it well, and projecting it out to the whole base. People do fine in casual content. The issue is that some players want people to want to do or to be better at raids.

If people do 'fine' in casual content, then they shouldn't have any issues being monitored by a parser, no?

[Sebazy]

I don't see mass bad play

I'm not convinced. Sorry =(

Seriously though, it's really quite startling to just pull up the debuffs tab on a log for Skalla. The fact that you're not noticing these mistakes doesn't mean that they aren't being made, rather it highlights just how non impactful they usually are, but I digress, kind of derailing the topic a bit here <3

[Miste]

The tales of the DF thread is just as much anecdotal, and nowhere near representative of all the dungeons done.

It's anecdotal, but its existence and a lot of reddit posts cast doubt on the idea that bad play in casual content is rare even if it doesn't objectively prove anything. That would be the reason it was brought up likely since that thread is very active.

For every bad run, there's easily 20 dungeons or more that go off without a hitch.

Made up statistics. Where is your data to back up these numbers?

it's a lot more fun to gripe and feel superior to others.

It's called venting frustrations and looking for validation. It is a human condition and not something we can likely change or avoid except for long term evolution.

We have maybe 800k active players, and people run hundreds if not thousands of instances per day. It's just the bad is more memorable than the good.

Making up statistics again.

People do fine in casual content. Players should address this honestly instead of complaining about something that doesn't exist to the frequency they think it does in game.

Purely your own experience. Just like no one can prove it isn't rare you can't claim everyone does "fine" in casual content and that bad play in casual content doesn't exist (frequently or no) just because of your own personal experience.

They cannot prove it isn't rare just as you cannot prove it is rare so you aren't making any logical sense by trying to claim it is rare. You can't prove anything either.

[Selova]

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So....let me get this straight. In order to attempt to make a point that other people's collective anecdotal evidence about bad experiences in group content is extremely rare, you rely on using more anecdotal evidence and made up statistics....what?

[akaneakki]

I don't see mass bad play, and the only time I had to abandon a casual duty was rab and royal menagerie when they were brand new..

See what you wrote there? You abondon shinryu NM since people couldn't handle it. That alone is bad in the first place and also a indicator that Square enix has a minimal gap between story trials and dungeons, then a huge one for people when a decent extreme comes out. Hell people even failed a lot on susano extreme when it was new too, which was pulled 2 times and I got it down. And if you really say you don't see mass bad play then look at your own text again. There are plenty of bad players in this game, far too many for easy content.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Players should address this honestly instead of complaining about something that doesn't exist to the frequency they think it does in game. Raising the difficulty curve isn't really going to do much if the end result of most players is expert and the 24 man; it just makes those things a little more annoying and will increase wipes rather than fix them.

It's called a difficulty curve. People struggle with harder content partly because there is no difficult curve in this game. It goes from laughably easy, to moderately hard to "OMG" without any incline. Such is why you have full 340 geared DPS in Shinryu EX who can barely break 3,500 when that should be standard.

Seriously though, it's really quite startling to just pull up the debuffs tab on a log for Skalla. The fact that you're not noticing these mistakes doesn't mean that they aren't being made, rather it highlights just how non impactful they usually are, but I digress, kind of derailing the topic a bit here <3

Actually, I think it correlates well with the lack of difficulty curves. Look at anything pre-70. Most people just try to brute force through everything. Even at 70, once we have slightly above average gear, it becomes "ignore the mechanics. We can just kill it." I've purposely ignored AoE circles in Rabanastre to put up Trick Attack or what have you since I know it won't matter whatsoever and I can usually heal through Bloodbath.

[Canopia]

If people do 'fine' in casual content, then they shouldn't have any issues being monitored by a parser, no?

Unfortunately, those who are doing the "monitoring" arent really using it as a helpful tool. For every person using it as a helpful tool, there are at least three people being unhelpful tools. Either to stroke their own ePeen, by being condescending pricks tp attack those they deem inferior, or simply to try and segregate themselves from the "baddies". There are enough systems in the game for people to use in order to be jerks to their fellow player, we really dont need to try and put out a fire by pouring gasoline on it.

A personal parser that you alone can see is fine, one that is essentially used to see other peoples parses is a recipe for abuse. Though no one really wants a personal parser but a small minority, the rest want public parsers so they can ostracize the unworthy under the guise of "helpful tool".

[Oscura]

Unfortunately, those who are doing the "monitoring" arent really using it as a helpful tool. For every person using it as a helpful tool, there are at least three people being unhelpful tools.

Made up statistics are very fun.

[Canopia]

Made up statistics are very fun.

Dont see a counter argument, unless you think making a "meanie poopie head" level comment at me is a "counter argument"

[HyoMinPark]

Dont see a counter argument, unless you think making a "meanie poopie head" level comment at me is a "counter argument"

You have no proof to back up your arguments. Therefore, they’re either made-up (like your statistics) or anecdotal, which also cannot constitute as fact.