Is it time for relics to be the same ilevel as savage weapons?

[Sebazy]

IMO relic should ALWAYS be better than savage and EVEN ultimate savage even tho you DONT RAID.

Oki so lets say SE do indeed make the relic the best weapon.

So now casual Timmy comes along, grinds out his 1000 Wineport rats and crafts 500 Moogle shaped cupcakes or whatever for his Relic. He's got his big boy pants weapon, he will already have a multitude of sets of 330 tome gear from all the dungeons he's had to do en route to his relic and will promptly get to upgrade it once the 24man hits. Now you tell me, what inclination or motivation does our little casual Timmy have to ever step foot into Savage?

Think about that for a moment.

Do you actually think SE will ever go with an approach that renders that expensive Savage raid obsolete and pointless for the masses before it's even unlocked? The current Relic/Tome/Savage setup allows casuals to have strikingly close gear parity to world first raiders whilst still keeping that little carrot there over the Savage raid to lure people in. What's the issue with that?

[Johaandr]

is dis math..?

I not going to be rude or not give you a constructive answear but rather make you grasp that everything is optional and idc what timmy does?
For sake im not trying to be ignorant cuse what is dis lol. SE makes every contents possible for both casuals and raider lol. Think about that too.
No matter IF relic becomes the best weapon it wont stop people from doing savage. Cuse i wont.Lol.
Sorry i kinda missed ur whole point.lol
Just trying to make a statement that its no point argue or give me a riddle or whatever against me.

[Sebazy]

Just trying to make a statement that its no point argue or give me a riddle or whatever against me.

My point is, raids need a carrot to motivate people. Look at how many people are still working on Unending Coil now. 2-5%? I'd be amazed if it even hits 0.2-0.5% before 4.2.

It's always been possible to hit the iLvl cap leading into a new raid tier. Making the relic the best weapon might be nice for non raiders, but it'd be bad for the game's endgame scene and long term player retention overall. That is not a healthy design decision for a subscription MMO.

[Johaandr]

My point is, raids need a carrot to motivate people. Look at how many people are still working on Unending Coil now. 2-5%? I'd be amazed if it even hits 0.2-0.5% before 4.2.

It's always been possible to hit the iLvl cap leading into a new raid tier. Making the relic the best weapon might be nice for non raiders, but it'd be bad for the game's endgame scene and long term player retention overall. That is not a healthy design decision for a subscription MMO.

nah it wont. Jeez it wont be bad. You rlly need to expand ur horizont and view things differently

[Sebazy]

nah it wont. Jeez it wont be bad. You rlly need to expand ur horizont and view things differently

Think about the influx of new players into the raid pool for a moment. Your static needs a new bard? Don't bother asking little Timmy as he is busy grinding out his relic safe in the knowledge that he doesn't need to do Savage for anything anyway.

I'm not the one missing the big picture here sir.

[Johaandr]

Think about the influx of new players into the raid pool for a moment. Your static needs a new bard? Don't bother asking little Timmy as he is busy grinding out his relic safe in the knowledge that he doesn't need to do Savage for anything anyway.

I'm not the one missing the big picture here sir.

Oki. You kinda do miss the big picture since ur only mindset is raid overall about is it worth it? and ignoring the fact that its optional.
So is relic. Dont like relic being stronger than savage tier? Say hello to anima lux.

Now i speak from my perspective and for raider i do know for a LONG time since they dont snooze into the forum.
I like doing svage because its fun and also this tier was easy bcuse i took it down faster than midas and creator era.
Some might not find it easy but that may have to do with good excuses.
But hey there is relic! Its time consuming and last in about 1/2 years to get to the last tier.
Its more time consuming and you invest time on it for each steps. Svg is all about dances and teamplay.
Its not even point of arguing back because i do know in the end of the expansion everything will be replaced.
Savage, relic, crafting, wolf etc etc is just "something" to do in this game. So dont make it sound if relics gets stronger the savage will be pointless cuse it will not.

[RenAshdoll]

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Except that the Lux series came in patch 3.55a, where majority of the raiders have already complete the last of the Alex raids and obtained their raid weapon. You completely missed his point about what happens when the hardest content dropped at the exact same time as the next relic quests; it will be meaningless for the dev to even create any raid contents since either a lot less ppl are going to even attempt it, or design the entire encounter around the highest tier weapon.

[ManuelBravo]

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Do you actually think SE will ever go with an approach that renders that expensive Savage raid obsolete and pointless for the masses before it's even unlocked? The current Relic/Tome/Savage setup allows casuals to have strikingly close gear parity to world first raiders whilst still keeping that little carrot there over the Savage raid to lure people in. What's the issue with that?

When you think about it relics were in place as an alternative to people who really don't want to raid. -.-.... People usually raid for the story, gear or items to upgrade tome gear. While weapons are a nice incentive I too think relics should be made the strongest weapons above raids. Little Timmy can go on FC raids or help out he pays his own subscription so he can play what ever he likes >.>