Is it time for relics to be the same ilevel as savage weapons?

[KaldeaSahaline]

How's this for a compromise?

SB relics get super generic models and dyeable like all previous raid tier weapons.

Raid weapons get cool glowy effects and fancy models.

How would the "low skill" playerbase feel about that compromise?

Alternatively, how would you guys feel about raiders being able to get the relic weapon via raiding as an alternative to mindless grinding? Would you feel slighted?

[Vhailor]

I think it is. We invest so much time on these relics and are still lower in ilevel than savage weapons.
Time and difficulty should cancel out and be the same at the end of the day in my opinion. It worked in realm reborn, it should work again.

On par, hell - I think they should be superior. The best weapons in FFXI weren't dropped from the hardest content; they were ground out, painfully, over months and years. There's no reason it should be any different here.

Edit / Addition:

Alternatively, how would you guys feel about raiders being able to get the relic weapon via raiding as an alternative to mindless grinding? Would you feel slighted?

"Mindless grinding" is a phrase that encapsulates Raids in FFXIV, too, you know. There's just less of it (vs the Relic weapons), and the patience factor has as much to do with other people as anything else.

[HyoMinPark]

On par, hell - I think they should be superior. The best weapons in FFXI weren't dropped from the hardest content; they were ground out, painfully, over months and years. There's no reason it should be any different here.

This isn’t FFXI though. They already tried to make FFXIV like XI; it didn’t work out.

You have to consider the other weapons in the game, and make sure you don’t automatically invalidate an entire set of weapons when you introduce another set. If the Relics were dropped at the same time as Savage, and were on-par or superior to them, that would completely invalidate the Savage weapons—don’t even put them in the game at that point. Now, if the relic caught up in a catch-up patch, that’s different, because at least the Savage weapons would have had their period of relevancy.

Inb4 someone says “raiders wouldn’t grind out their relics immediately”—they absolutely would. Especially if they were superior to the Savage weapons. Why have to wait, at the worst, 8 weeks for a weapon (since they generally take 8 books to buy one) when you can grind out a relic that is on-par or better within the span of 1 or 2?

[jameseoakes]

How's this for a compromise?

SB relics get super generic models and dyeable like all previous raid tier weapons.

Raid weapons get cool glowy effects and fancy models.

How would the "low skill" playerbase feel about that compromise?

Alternatively, how would you guys feel about raiders being able to get the relic weapon via raiding as an alternative to mindless grinding? Would you feel slighted?

Wow that's a rudely worded post

[HyoMinPark]

Wow that's a rudely worded post

I’m sorry, not trying to sound rude or anything, but can you add something to the discussion rather than just pointing out a post that you feel comes across as rude or abrasive?

[Felis]

On par, hell - I think they should be superior. The best weapons in FFXI weren't dropped from the hardest content; they were ground out, painfully, over months and years. There's no reason it should be any different here.

For now every final relic was better than the raid weapon

[Derio]

It could be done, however they would have to make it where no phase got nerfed until the months leading up to the next expansion.

[jameseoakes]

I’m sorry, not trying to sound rude or anything, but can you add something to the discussion rather than just pointing out a post that you feel comes across as rude or abrasive?

Ok, I think over the course of each gear cycle the relics probably should catch up to the relic although with the custom stats it's fine for them to be a little behind.

[bugmancer]

Yes we know raiding is super hard and makes you super special for clearing it when it's relevant but why do you give a heck if relics EVENTUALLY equal out to raid gear? the game appeals to all types of people who like different aspects of the game for different reason. does someone making a relic because they don't raid take anything at all away from your accomplishments? no, not in the slightest. so why even complain about it? because it kills incentive to raid? raiding will always be at the forefront on ilvl and once you beat it you can sit around going afk at your retainer bell exactly like the rest of us.

[F_Maximillian]

Yes we know raiding is super hard and makes you super special for clearing it when it's relevant but why do you give a heck if relics EVENTUALLY equal out to raid gear? the game appeals to all types of people who like different aspects of the game for different reason. does someone making a relic because they don't raid take anything at all away from your accomplishments? no, not in the slightest. so why even complain about it? because it kills incentive to raid? raiding will always be at the forefront on ilvl and once you beat it you can sit around going afk at your retainer bell exactly like the rest of us.

If you bothered reading the thread you would see that most raiders don't mind relics equaling out with raid gear. Just not every patch but at the end of the expansion.