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    Bourne_Endeavor's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awha View Post
    only factor should be if it does happen, and if it does happen something should be done
    I'll stop you here because this is an inherently flawed perception and contributes to the "safe space" mentality I mentioned earlier. Say harassment through parse abuse happens 1 out of every 1,000 encounters. You do not take a nuclear approach and treat it as though harassment is wide-spread. Your solutions essentially demand we snuff out the slightest possibility even in a literal 0.1% example. That leads to the oversensitive mess we're seeing everywhere else, and why you perceive Miste's stance "heartless." She can't win under your scenario because you've created only a single "solution." So... how do we address harassment? You report the person for their behavior, blacklist if you feel it necessary and move on with your life. Call me callous all you fancy but the world isn't sunshine and rainbows. You are going to meet shitty people. Better to learn how to funnel out their nonsense than have us try and shield everyone from everything.
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    Last edited by Bourne_Endeavor; 11-22-2017 at 04:50 AM.

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    Paladinleeds's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    Say harassment through parse abuse happens 1 out of every 1,000 encounters. You do not take a nuclear approach and treat it as though harassment is wide-spread.
    Yep. I'm going to add that while harassment does suck, taking the thermonuclear option doesn't work out. For example with my stream, I do take the thermonuclear option (and very well known for it on the site I stream at). Viewers are forever walking on eggshells because even the most minor sleight and I will permantly ban them. For even the most minor things like asking how to tip my stream. I am callous and heartless about it. Viewers therefore are scared to interact. Chances are, if you start taking the thermonuclear option, it will put even genuine non-harassing players off because "What if I accidentally make someone feel like they're being harassed?" (even though they aren't harassing). It creates a very slippery slope and one I'm sure SqEx are wont to avoid. I can get away with it on my stream because I'm not trying to rack up lots of viewers, I literally stream just for entertainment value. SqEx on the other hand are a profit-driven business. They can't afford this slippery slope.

    Also, Awha can call me callous, heartless, etc, all he wants. Why? Because I already know I am all the things he's called Miste. He'd only be telling me stuff I already know. I'm used to being insulted IRL, so it'll be like water off a duck's back to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Awha View Post
    How is offering some base line protection that is not 100% reactive a nuclear approach? The only protection people have at the moment only comes in effect after the deed has been done. So they have already been negatively effected. While I am not sure what they can do, having some line of defense that at the very least offers minimal protection from it happening all together does not seem like a nuclear approach.
    The only way to do that would be to mark people as "harassers" and have them banned from entering duty. But, for people who want the story, that means we can't progress because of multiplayer duty if we get marked that way. May as well just ban us from the game (which they already do ban people for harassment by the way). And even then, that's reactive because the only fair way to do it would be to mark someone who has a history of it that way, so people have already been affected. Without a history to go off, you'd just have to assume everyone is a harasser, and therefore you'd have to take out the chat (they did that in PvP btw). But then how do you handle communication in a duty? Instead of getting harassed in-duty, the harassers will just make an alt on the server (unless it's a locked server like Balmung), and use that to harass them over it. It wouldn't stop harassment, just shift where it happens.
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    Last edited by Paladinleeds; 11-22-2017 at 05:10 AM. Reason: Counterpoint
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    Boi if you got kicked for the same thing in over 20 duties I strongly suggest you think hard on whatever the hell it is you're doing

    As I'm sure you are well aware, it takes more than one person to be able to kick a player from a duty, so in all those instances there were at least two people agreeing they'd be better off without you tanking.