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[Maeka]

RE:Selova: Your Enter Key says Hi. I think it's lonely.

That said, I can vouch for the fact that you can in fact do at least some DPS and you should never go OOM. If you (talking to Missbone here) OOM, at least as a WHM because you DPS'd, then you are playing very badly.

I don't maximize DPS, but I do throw Aero IIIs when I feel I can safely, and I'll even try to sneak a Holy in when there's enough mobs that I think that it is beneficial. Bosses get pounded with Stone IVs during times when everybody's full and I know nobody's gonna get hit in the next 3+ seconds.

I have never, ever, ever run out of MP in any Level 70 dungeon as a WHM. Never. There was even this time when a tank mashed sprint from the getgo, didn't use his CDs and pulled 3 groups at once and I did nonstop Cure2 and cooldowns to keep him alive. Ended the fight with 25% MP left and Lucid on cooldown, but still didn't run out of MP.

I do not understand how it is even POSSIBLE to run out of MP anymore.

[Enla]

RE:Selova: Your Enter Key says Hi. I think it's lonely.

That said, I can vouch for the fact that you can in fact do at least some DPS and you should never go OOM. If you (talking to Missbone here) OOM, at least as a WHM because you DPS'd, then you are playing very badly.

I don't maximize DPS, but I do throw Aero IIIs when I feel I can safely, and I'll even try to sneak a Holy in when there's enough mobs that I think that it is beneficial. Bosses get pounded with Stone IVs during times when everybody's full and I know nobody's gonna get hit in the next 3+ seconds.

I have never, ever, ever run out of MP in any Level 70 dungeon as a WHM. Never. There was even this time when a tank mashed sprint from the getgo, didn't use his CDs and pulled 3 groups at once and I did nonstop Cure2 and cooldowns to keep him alive. Ended the fight with 25% MP left and Lucid on cooldown, but still didn't run out of MP.

I do not understand how it is even POSSIBLE to run out of MP anymore.

It literally is impossible for WHM if they're rotating Lucid and Thin Air properly. Gone are the days when simply looking at your MP bar even for a second would cause it to vanish in a puff of smoke, with WHM easily wrestling the most MP efficient title away from SCH with ease. The /only/ way I can see someone running out of MP is if they only cast Cure III or Medica/II exclusively, which as has been discussed is a VERY bad way to play this or any other healing class. Especially with Cure III as that spell is primarily proximity based and most of the time the party is spread too thinly for it to be effective.

[MoroMurasaki]

It literally is impossible for WHM if they're rotating Lucid and Thin Air properly. Gone are the days when simply looking at your MP bar even for a second would cause it to vanish in a puff of smoke, with WHM easily wrestling the most MP efficient title away from SCH with ease. The /only/ way I can see someone running out of MP is if they only cast Cure III or Medica/II exclusively, which as has been discussed is a VERY bad way to play this or any other healing class.

I find any situation I'm going to go OOM on is usually a wipe either way. Things have to reeeeeeealy hit the fan to the point I'm hardcasting multiple raises and have burned through all my CDs to keep people standing.

I joined a shin practice party like that. People were literally falling off to Tidal Wave. The MT did several times and each time the OT (who was not second on threat) would take upwards of 15 seconds to Provoke the boss. This meant someone squishy (usually me, thanks HoT aggro) taking autos. You burn everything you have covering for a few mistakes then leave yourself with nothing left for the next round of mistakes.

But yes, very hard to go OOM on WHM. You pretty much will die first.

[Enla]

I find any situation I'm going to go OOM on is usually a wipe either way. Things have to reeeeeeealy hit the fan to the point I'm hardcasting multiple raises and have burned through all my CDs to keep people standing.

I joined a shin practice party like that. People were literally falling off to Tidal Wave. The MT did several times and each time the OT (who was not second on threat) would take upwards of 15 seconds to Provoke the boss. This meant someone squishy (usually me, thanks HoT aggro) taking autos. You burn everything you have covering for a few mistakes then leave yourself with nothing left for the next round of mistakes.

But yes, very hard to go OOM on WHM. You pretty much will die first.

True, I definitely forgot the moments when the shit hits the fan as an example for when you'll go OOM! Thankfully though I've felt that WHM in particular is the easiest to recover when that happens? I've only gotten WHM and SCH to 70 so I can't speak to how AST plays at higher levels, but between the former two I always felt I could salvage the situation a lot easier with WHM. SCH is no slouch either, but Energy Drain takes up an Aetherflow stack that could have gone to a Lustrate or Excogitation (that might save a newly rezz'd person or tank) instead so it's often a matter of picking your poison.