It's past time, Yoshi-P...

[Maeka]

Yeah that was an issue even back when it was called Shroud of Saints and it boggles my mind that they never updated it when it became a Cross-Class skill.

Yeah, I remember that... I still do not understand who at SE thinks players use SoS (or now LD) primarily for the enmity reduction. I mean, I can count on one hand the number of times I've pulled hate by healing, lol. Out of every 1,000 times that SoS or LD was used, what, 1-2 times it was for actual enmity reduction (by players who understand what the skill actually does, that is)?

[Paladinleeds]

Btw. while i was reading your previous post i couldnt realy understand how it whas possible for you not to run oom when the group plays bad, until i saw that you mention lucid. I used it so far only to reduce my aggro if i had got some adds. I never noticed that it also restores your mana.^^

And that's fair enough. But yeah, I use Lucid as more of a mana restore than an aggro dump myself. As a White Mage, you also get Assize at 56 (60 sec cooldown, can be reduced to 48 with lillies). Assize also restores mana. Those combined with Thin Air (spells cost 0 mana for a period of time), and WHM eMP is through the rooof.

EDIT: Best way to see refresh is a "Heal over Time" but for MP instead of health.

EDIT:2

Also, if she's on Primal (I think that's the 'center that Lamia is in?) or if she wants to watch a (somewhat bad video quality) stream of me healing, I can offer to help too.

Though if I do a video stream, I will warn that I'm a keyboard turner lol.

She's on Ragnarok, which is Chaos datacentre. So same datacentre as me. If she needs a hand, I'm happy to be her tank and work with her.

[Maeka]

General rule of thumb is to use it around the 70-80% MP range and just use it on cooldown or as needed. It'll solve pretty much all your issues if you also use Thin Air while Lucid is on cooldown.

Everybody has their own methods, my own involve a 50% MP threshold, but that's in 5-mans. Might want to bump that up to 75% if you're doing an 8-man trial and you got people dying to mechanics, lol.

But yes, that's generally what one should do with Lucid. Set a threshold that works.. 50%... 75%...etc. Generally how I do it.



@Missbone:

Start off small. An Aero here, there. Maybe when you get used to that, Aero III a group when the tank first pulls it. When a boss is first pulled, 1-2 Stone IVs and an Aero before the tank takes any damage. Slowly work damage into your methods/thinking. Absolutely nobody is expecting you to go full pro, max-dps right off the bat.

Also, make sure it's a good tank before you do this. Maybe even ask some FC mates to help you get the hang of healer DPS, and ask them to do the "Baby Pulls" that you mentioned against previously in the thread. Baby Pulls would give you plenty of time to get used to switching between enemies and players.

[Maeka]

Also, if she's on Primal (I think that's the 'center that Lamia is in?) or if she wants to watch a (somewhat bad video quality) stream of me healing, I can offer to help too.

Though if I do a video stream, I will warn that I'm a keyboard turner lol.

EDIT: Been meaning to do a recording of me healing anyways as keyboard turning has come up in discussions before and some peeps don't seem to understand how I can do it and not get hit with AoEs and junk.

[Tridus]

/laugh

Well, Hyomin has arrived. (/happy) But, where's Tridus and Seabazy? We are in the part of the debate where the thread troll just played the victim card.

Speaking of the victim card, I was helping a friend move. I mean, they bought dinner afterward, but carrying a sofa down from the fourth floor is... probably still more fun than another one of these threads, actually.

[Tridus]

I really, REALLY hate the forum system. 1000 characters is just asinine.

That limit doesn't apply when editing. If you want to post long, just cut and paste your entire post into the edit box.

[Kacho_Nacho]

Speaking of the victim card, I was helping a friend move. I mean, they bought dinner afterward, but carrying a sofa down from the fourth floor is...

Tridus! /hug

OUCH! Hopefully, your muscles don't protest too much tomorrow. It's great your friend bought you dinner and all but still... ouch!

probably still more fun than another one of these threads, actually.

*snerk*

[HyoMinPark]

Yeah, I remember that... I still do not understand who at SE thinks players use SoS (or now LD) primarily for the enmity reduction. I mean, I can count on one hand the number of times I've pulled hate by healing, lol. Out of every 1,000 times that SoS or LD was used, what, 1-2 times it was for actual enmity reduction (by players who understand what the skill actually does, that is)?

I honestly think Lucid should have a rework with regards to the enmity dump part of the skill. I feel the same way about BRD/MCH Refresh/Tactician. Skills that are used primarily for support/self-sufficiency also functioning as enmity dumps can be... tricky sometimes. The number of times I have used Tactician to dump my own aggro and then subsequently a melee died and could have used the TP is numerous. Same thing with Refresh—there’s so many ways to use that skill, one of which is offensively for the sake of Foe’s and extending it’s duration/allowing for more casts during a given fight, but unless your healers are on top of their own mana and Lucid usage, it’s tricky to use Refresh in such a way.

I honestly think that all jobs should have access to Diversion, and it function as both an enmity dump AND an enmity queller but, sigh. Such is not the case. :c Or at least give WHM another ability to use as an enmity dump instead of relying purely on Lucid or a NIN, since they have the strongest heals and are usually the ones ripping aggro through healing (sometimes ASTs do, but I rarely see that; I almost never see a SCH threatening to rip hate through healing).

Having a NIN helps, because they can Smokescreen a healer about to rip hate, but you can’t always rely on having a NIN in DF/PUG groups. Alas.

[Missbone]

If you have an alt on Aether (not sure where you live or if that's even possible) I would gladly party with you to help you work on DPSing as a healer if it was something you were interested in.

My Charakter is on Ragnarok (EU Datacenter) and im also one of those players who allways thought refresh is just something like a minor hot.^^
I was told you could add players from other servers to your friendlist and invite them into a group but i dont know excatly how this work because i didnt used it so far.

[Paladinleeds]

My Charakter is on Ragnarok (EU Datacenter) and im also one of those players who allways thought refresh is just something like a minor hot.^^ I was told you could add players from other servers to your friendlist and invite them into a group but i dont know excatly how this work because i didnt used it so far.

What you can do is create a PF (Party Finder). I'll keep my eyes peeled for one. Once created, I'll be able to search for it and join in. Then from there I'll be listed in your contacts tab. From there, you can add me as a friend since I will show up. I'll keep tabs on the PF while fishing if ya wanna do it now! That way you've got me locked in for future use if you need help. Also, don't worry about not understanding Refresh, as others have eluded to, it isn't exactly the best worded thing! XD