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  1. #1
    Player
    MOZZYSTAR's Avatar
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    Amon Kujaku
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    Zalera
    Main Class
    Lancer Lv 8
    As a healer, I like juggling tasks. I'm not one of those healers that focus too much on DPSing and not enough on healing, nor am I the healer that over-heals. If I, my tank, and my MP can handle it, I will help with DPSing and enjoy it (because I like multitasking). If I/my MP, or my tank can't handle that kind of juggling, then I focus solely on healing and maybe slipping a dot now and then when I can.

    I haven't been getting commendations as frequently lately and maybe it has to do with the DPS race (or maybe not), but I haven't been getting harassed about doing what I do either. If you have, then you've been placed with some crappy parties, and that's a shame. I've been playing this game since ARR came out (off and on and through an older avatar), and have yet to come by that harassment as healer, tank, or DPS. However, I've been hearing about it on the forums. Could it have anything to do with your server and/or whom you're playing with?
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    AcaciaTyrannia's Avatar
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    Maeve Magica
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    Midgardsormr
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 90
    So. I do my Roulette's every single day and I have -NEVER- seen anyone complain about a tank or healer not DPSing enough.

    I feel like this is an imaginary problem people are using just so they have something to complain about.
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    Jijifli's Avatar
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    Jijifli Kokofli
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 55
    Quote Originally Posted by AcaciaTyrannia View Post
    So. I do my Roulette's every single day and I have -NEVER- seen anyone complain about a tank or healer not DPSing enough.

    I feel like this is an imaginary problem people are using just so they have something to complain about.
    Given how they're so defensive...

    I had a WHM spamming cure on a full health tank, and when I mentioned it was a waste of mp to keep doing that, they told me to "shove my dps elitist tongue somewhere else."

    I didn't even say to dps, just to not do 99% overheal because the tank is in no danger.
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    Miste's Avatar
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    Miste Vaer
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    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Jijifli View Post
    Given how they're so defensive...

    I had a WHM spamming cure on a full health tank, and when I mentioned it was a waste of mp to keep doing that, they told me to "shove my dps elitist tongue somewhere else."

    I didn't even say to dps, just to not do 99% overheal because the tank is in no danger.
    How dare you give constructive advice to help someone? Gosh. The game would be a much better place if people would just stop trying to help others.

    (joking sarcasm....don't lynch me)
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    Last edited by Miste; 11-22-2017 at 10:16 AM.

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    Jijifli Kokofli
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    Balmung
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    Arcanist Lv 55
    Quote Originally Posted by Miste View Post
    How dare you give constructive advice to help someone? Gosh. The game would be a much better place if people would just stop trying to help others.

    (joking sarcasm....don't lynch me)
    LYNCH! LYNCH!
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  6. #6
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    SilverObi's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Character
    Kissa Kotele
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 90
    I'm not very skilled yet when it comes to optimizing healer dps (kind of a chicken in that regard) but even I can see the ebb and flow of incoming dmg and find spots where I can top off the tank and spend some time helping kill. It all comes down to what a player is comfortable with and the best way to help your healer (or tank) feel okay with putting out more damage is to create the situations for them. Or point it out in the aftermath of a pull, which I try to do now and then with pre-mades cause let's face it, DF has lots of chips on many shoulders
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    Kacho_Nacho's Avatar
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    Kacho Nacho
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    Coeurl
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    White Mage Lv 99
    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    Holy -> (Swiftcast) -> Aero III -> (Assize) (Presence of Mind) -> Stone IV spam -> Cure II -> Divine Bension -> Tetragrammaton

    I can also intentionally allow a tank's HP to plummet and use Benediction but the above will always be available for every pull. Either you had a poor WHM or the tank wasn't using their CDs efficiently. In the latter case, my job isn't to compensate for your deficiencies.
    Thanks for the rotation, Bourne!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tridus View Post
    It's called the Dunning–Kruger effect. Accurate self-evaluation requires a certain amount of skill and knowledge in the thing you're trying to evaluate. That is: you have to know a certain amount about healing to be able to evaluate how good a healer you are.

    People who lack that base knowledge have no way to assess their own skills accurately, and usually mistakenly assume they are far more skilled/knowledgeable than they truly are. Thus, they honestly believe they're really good healers and that they know what they're talking about. This applies across everything humans do, and all of us are susceptible to it. It's a skill in itself to have the self-awareness to realize that you don't know anything and that your self-evaluations are wrong (hence philosophical quotes like "The only thing I know, is that I know nothing").

    Or the colloquial: "You don't know what you don't know."

    (Interestingly, competent people were found in the same studies to underestimate their own abilities. That leads to a situation where they don't understand that things are easy for them because they're highly skilled/knowledgeable, and instead think that those things must be easy for everyone.)
    I like to think I know a little bit about healing but there’s new stuff all the time. Makes me wonder if I’ll be decent when I reach 70.
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    Tridus's Avatar
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    Cecelia Stormfeather
    World
    Cactuar
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho View Post
    I like to think I know a little bit about healing but there’s new stuff all the time. Makes me wonder if I’ll be decent when I reach 70.
    If that's the attitude you approach it with, then the answer is "probably"! People who go out trying to learn more and are open to improvement almost always end up doing very well.
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    Survivor of Housing Savage 2018.
    Discord: Tridus#2642

  9. #9
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    Sunhwapark's Avatar
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    Dear Boy
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    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Fisher Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho View Post
    Makes me wonder if I’ll be decent when I reach 70.
    I know of someone, a healer "main" may i add, who mentioned these things:
    • "Prescence of Mind is only for slow healers "
    • "Lightspeed is Useless "
    • "Whitemages are soooo easy and i need a challenge "
    • "I refuse to play with WhiteMages, I only play in Diurnal Sect(Astrologian) "

    This person who, as you may have guessed 'mains' Astrologian, has somehow gotten basically carried through Deltascape V4(Savage)//aka the current endgame i guess// without touching very useful abilities in their kit, such as; Largesse/Collective Unconcious/Lightspeed/Sleeve Draw in the respective encounter- and uses lucid dreaming maybe once in the entire fight. I forgot to mention they are also a 'i only heal' kind of person.

    I honestly think you are far better than this person already.
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    Last edited by Sunhwapark; 11-22-2017 at 11:29 AM. Reason: i only heal ~

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    Xerek's Avatar
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    Character
    Alexandr Nocturne
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Sunhwapark View Post
    I know of someone, a healer "main" may i add, who mentioned these things:
    • "Prescence of Mind is only for slow healers "
    • "Lightspeed is Useless "
    • "Whitemages are soooo easy and i need a challenge "
    • "I refuse to play with WhiteMages, I only play in Diurnal Sect(Astrologian) "

    This person who, as you may have guessed 'mains' Astrologian, has somehow gotten basically carried through Deltascape V4(Savage)//aka the current endgame i guess// without touching very useful abilities in their kit, such as; Largesse/Collective Unconcious/Lightspeed/Sleeve Draw in the respective encounter- and uses lucid dreaming maybe once in the entire fight. I forgot to mention they are also a 'i only heal' kind of person.

    I honestly think you are far better than this person already.
    There is an irony there. The main reason most AST barely touch Lightspeed, using it only when desperately needed, is that it cuts our DPS significantly. A drawback that doesn't effect a healer that doesn't DPS. >.<
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