Tank dps harrasment

[Sarteck]

The reason they don't is it wouldn't have any impact. Anyone willing to publicly attack you over FFlogs will just assume you're hiding them because "you suck." Those who don't necessarily care, or at least won't verbalize it, won't say anything either way.

Your point's good and a valid one, but I still don't like the idea of some group of people uploading my data without my knowledge. Not merely because of what the stats might say (and even that would often be misrepresentative), but because it's really none of their darned business.

[Oscura]

Your point's good and a valid one, but I still don't like the idea of some group of people uploading my data without my knowledge. Not merely because of what the stats might say (and even that would often be misrepresentative), but because it's really none of their darned business.

FFlogs will always be a cancer on this community if only because people use it primarily for being big-headed, when the entire point is improvement. FFlogs lets you see the entire fight down to the literal GCD and rotations of you and your members, so it lets people who weren't present for the fight critique your rotation or your up-time.

In the end though, the average person will just use it to put people down or brag about how great their numbers are. I will always agree that FFlogs does far more harm than good.

[akaneakki]

I will always agree that FFlogs does far more harm than good.

It's subjective. People who use it right will use it the way it supposed to, analyze and compare to others damage and then self improve. If people don't want their logs uploaded, you simply just hide it. And again if people do find out later you are a bad player, should we be obligated to lower our skill to yours then never get a clear or a 13 min farm shinryu? Or even worse when we just flat out carry you, which in most cases most wont do and it's their own rule of party to do so, to kick you for underperforming.

Also why is it that TANKS outdps some dpses in roulettes or healers do it too? Like if you are a dps, isnt your job to do more than those 2 jobs? Or you simply saying a dps job is slack?

[Oscura]

It's subjective. People who use it right will use it the way it supposed to, analyze and compare to others damage and then self improve. If people don't want their logs uploaded, you simply just hide it. And again if people do find out later you are a bad player, should we be obligated to lower our skill to yours then never get a clear or a 13 min farm shinryu? Or even worse when we just flat out carry you, which in most cases most wont do and it's their own rule of party to do so, to kick you for underperforming.

Also why is it that TANKS outdps some dpses in roulettes or healers do it too? Like if you are a dps, isnt your job to do more than those 2 jobs? Or you simply saying a dps job is slack?

"People who use it right will use it the way they're supposed to," yes, which is exactly what I said, but again, people on this forum can't read. I said people primarily use it as a tool to stroke their ego, which is true. I dabble in a lot of pro-parsing communities and discords, I parse and upload logs myself. The fact of the matter is that I see more people whining about their percentages not being high like it's a competition and less because they want to improve, and I've seen people flat out just shoot people down over their log numbers, even if the person themselves didn't upload it and had a bad run.

Also I don't know if you were using "you" as a general or regarding me, but if it's the latter, I'd appreciate if you never ever do that rhetoric again. It's incredibly condescending and defeats the entire purpose of your post. Also, one whole tank won't make the run take 13 minutes. You are exaggerating far too much. I also didn't mention or care for Shinryu aside from the fact that I told OP I wouldn't mind them just tanking only in shield oath. Nothing to do with condoning "carrying" or how people should "lower their skill level." Hell of a lot of assumptions you're making there.

Posts like these seriously smear the pro-parsing community.

the OP mention getting kicked from dungeons from low dps, which is mostly seen through parser.

and was removed from a shin ex pt before queue over fflogs.

And yes they did, or vote kick abuse wouldn't be a thing

You are saying it in your own words. "Vote kick abuse." You do not vote to kick someone from party finder. One single person kicks you. There is no "kick abuse" in party finder period.

[Mavrias]

Your point's good and a valid one, but I still don't like the idea of some group of people uploading my data without my knowledge. Not merely because of what the stats might say (and even that would often be misrepresentative), but because it's really none of their darned business.

I hate to break it to you, but as you are in a party with them that they created it is absolutely their business to know what your skill level is.

[Sarteck]

I hate to break it to you, but as you are in a party with them that they created it is absolutely their business to know what your skill level is.

Hate to break it to you, but:

1) At the very least, you'll have to agree that if they are NOT in my party, then they have no business, which is what that site is for; and

2) No, it's NOT their business, tyvm. Especially random data plucked from who-knows-what situations.

Either way, you're wrong.

[akaneakki]

Hate to break it to you, but:

1) At the very least, you'll have to agree that if they are NOT in my party, then they have no business, which is what that site is for; and

2) No, it's NOT their business, tyvm. Especially random data plucked from who-knows-what situations.

Either way, you're wrong.

If you arent pulling your own weight in a PF who expect good or decent dps to kill before enrage, then yes its party leader business.

[HyoMinPark]

Hate to break it to you, but:

1) At the very least, you'll have to agree that if they are NOT in my party, then they have no business, which is what that site is for; and

2) No, it's NOT their business, tyvm. Especially random data plucked from who-knows-what situations.

Either way, you're wrong.

They actually aren’t wrong. If you’re in someone’s PF, and they opt to try and figure out why the group is unable to clear a fight, they have every right and every business to dig into that. They can use any source they choose, unless you would prefer they blindly kick and/or disband the party (which, when that happens, usually means that party leader knows exactly what is wrong, but cannot say because of the threat of being reported over mentioning parsers; so they disband the group and re-recruit instead).

That being said, people usually don’t randomly search for people’s FFLogs uploads unless given a reason—which, the reason would be something like:

A.) a player joining one of their parties,
B.) looking to be a member of their static,
C.) being like some individuals I’ve seen and trying to talk big about themselves so people go looking for evidence to back up their claims,

Etc..

[Sarteck]

They actually aren’t wrong.

Let me try to use an anology.

You try to go get a job. You're usually a decent, hardworking person. Your boss is all set to hire you, but then consults some site on which some random person (intentionally or otherwise) has uploaded images of you drunkenly vomiting all over the place.

From what you are trying to say, your boss should go by those logs, assume you are like that all the time, and not even bother seeing what you can bring to his team.

This is where we disagree.

[SenorPatty]

Let me try to use an anology.

You try to go get a job. You're usually a decent, hardworking person. Your boss is all set to hire you, but then consults some site on which some random person (intentionally or otherwise) has uploaded images of you drunkenly vomiting all over the place.

From what you are trying to say, your boss should go by those logs, assume you are like that all the time, and not even bother seeing what you can bring to his team.

This is where we disagree.

This already happens with:

-any social site like facebook
-background checks of various degrees

Buisinesses check your competence through references and interviews but they also want to know if your image fits their company. So yeah, a boss who finds you online with...less than savory circumstances may not hire you, before and/or after a personal interview.