Tank dps harrasment

[Joe777]

Thats what happens when you post on a general discussion board. People give their opinions on the matter. I'm not sure what else is to be expected. Someone hsving an opinion that differs from someone else doesnt make them an elitist jerk, however.

An opinion alone doesn't, but flaunting it around like it's a fact does.

[BorisDaBlade]

I'd like to point out that a party of all dps can easily get full credit just fine on any hunt so long as everyone is actually hitting the mob.

Not saying you''re wrong for doing it, but this has come up a couple times in this thread.

Ah, np. TLDR the thread anyway. Seems a bit hostile atm, lol.

[KingMeteo]

Yes people using parsers should be kicked and banned from the game. It is a violation of ToS.
Even reading through this thread you can see people flaunting their knowledge of parsers and whatever, they should be banned.

Look at the one guy putting down the OP in multiple responses, using parsers numbers as a good reason to kick someone!
That is why they need to get more strict on parser users. They are toxic and they bring down the community with their attitudes.
Read through this thread. It is a perfect example of why Parsers should not be implemented.
Thank you SE for not allowing parsing, but please get even more strict and bring out the Ban hammer on these toxic members.

[Shurrikhan]

I'd like to point out that a party of all dps can easily get full credit just fine on any hunt so long as everyone is actually hitting the mob.

Not saying you''re wrong for doing it, but this has come up a couple times in this thread.

For a party to receive full credit they must have a certain minimum percentage of enmity or FATE/Hunt completion (i.e. % of HP). Simply hitting the mob for the length of its time up will by no means guarantee full credit at higher player counts.

When the FATE/Hunt is overmassed and/or has little time to live, enmity grinding is your best way to guarantee full credit. Even a full party doing optimal openers in Savage raid gear is often not enough to grab full credit if it's joining late as but a small portion of the total players.

Yes, better to go full DPS if you're already guaranteed full credit, but as stacking enmity allows more parties to receive full credit than pure DPS would, and stacks contribution far, far faster than pure DPS, there's a massive range for which it's the optimal choice, especially during FATE/Hunt peak hours.

[KaivaC]

Parsers comment

Whoa, whoa…slow down, I like being parsed at times…but when I ask, it’s to do self-improvement. People using parsers shouldn’t be banned on principle. It should be used for self-improvement, not to force other players to improve. It’s a slippery slope and I don’t agree that all parsers are toxic. In fact, about 99% of parsers that I do know and do savage/ex content with are actually quite friendly and pretty cool – most of them don’t even post numbers unless they are requested.
Yes, the guy that has been trying to shut down the OP is being a jackass for some of the things he said. But people like this are few and far compared to the rest of the community. One bad apple doesn’t ruin the batch here.

[Rita1989]

Angry rant

If your raiding parser are pretty much required and Yoshi P has stated multiple times he is fine with people using them as long as your not using it for abuse.

It's a tool that the majority of people use simply to improve themselves, just because there are a small minority of people who will misuse it doesn't mean you should start banning everyone.

[ovIm]

"Defiance is a debuff" Tank here. Quite frankly, as long as you give it your all and make an effort to play as good as you can while improving yourself, I see no reason anyone should harass any other player, ever. Every content we play is a team effort, and I personally prefer giving pointers and helping out than mindlessly bashing others. If I see a tank in tankstance spamming the aggro combo, I am more than happy to give a few pointers on how to use the other skills, dropping tankstance is optional and depends on your own comfort level and skill. Whats more important is to use all skills available, imho.

While I agree that a PF's lead can set the rules,what they did here was not good, considering how runs can easily go bad if something goes wrong (I myself have some bad parses there too). We all have bad days every now and then, or groups that force us to play less optimal.

[micropanther7]

may i make a request hazy? please just stop your turning this into something much worse than me "complaining". So please just stop

As in-game, the forums have an ignore function, click on user name and add to ignore list, do yourself a favour

[MoroMurasaki]

Someone being an ass does not a bannable offense make.

Were the people who kicked the OP being rude? Of course, I certainly wouldn't want to play with them. They were certainly within their rights to kick him though, differing playstyle is such a blanket statement that virtually everything is a legitimate reason to kick someone apart from - hold for irony - actually playing poorly when you have and present concrete proof in the form of a parse.

That being said you can certainly evaluate a tank's DPS to an extent without a parser because the icon next to their name literally changes when they are outputting serious damage. Steel Cyclone is 200 base potency less than Decimate and then also doesn't benefit from the 5% flat damage and scaling Crit bump of Deliverence. That is an easily visible tell to see whether your tank is prioritizing damage, if they aren't and you want to kick them go right ahead.

That being said I bet those people are on a lot of blacklists, being that picky in a dungeon seems silly. The tank in tank stance is still contributing DPS assuming they are doing some semblance of a rotation, equating this with the healer DPS debate is not only a poor comparison it's hyperbolic.

[Lilseph]

I personally never seen toxic "non parser".

Yes people using parsers should be kicked and banned from the game. It is a violation of ToS.
Even reading through this thread you can see people flaunting their knowledge of parsers and whatever, they should be banned..

You are welcome.

This kind of attitude is equally worse. He is mixing the utility of that tool with people's attitude and how some use it. In reality, people harassing others over parsers are a minority. It's mostly used for and by statics for self improvement, challenge or whatever. If people use it to harass others, it doesn't mean the tool is bad. It's these people atittude the core of the issue.

This kind of players probably have a tendency of reporting everyone using them, even if they are not harassing others.