Open world PvP Zone

[Kisagami]

Why do people act like it'd be so horrible to play against someone in a multiplayer game? Don't say it's cause of the battle system; it was a hell of a lot better back when people didn't want to try it. Story? People fight each other in the story.

Because people get toxic. Competition in gaming is not sportsmanlike. Look at Overwatch. Look at WOW. I want a relaxing sense of community where people aren’t screaming about banging my mother or threatening me in real life just because I may have killed them. I hate having storyline interrupted by the selfishness or others who just want cheap kills by camping areas people rez in. It is a cycle of behavior that ruins the relaxing atmosphere of FF14. You’re working together in PVE content; it breeds being kind to each other. As you’re held accountable to your behavior; bad behavor, nobody dungeons with you. In PVP those ideals go out the window - it’s only “fun” if you hunt and harass people.

TL;DR Add an open PVP area, here comes the bad actors from WoW, Archeage, Destiny, and Overwatch. It wouldn’t be your kind of PVPers you claim you are in FF14. Here come the people who love to ruin other’s fun.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Because people get toxic. Competition in gaming is not sportsmanlike. Look at Overwatch. Look at WOW. I want a relaxing sense of community where people aren’t screaming about banging my mother or threatening me in real life just because I may have killed them. I hate having storyline interrupted by the selfishness or others who just want cheap kills by camping areas people rez in. It is a cycle of behavior that ruins the relaxing atmosphere of FF14. You’re working together in PVE content; it breeds being kind to each other. As you’re held accountable to your behavior; bad behavor, nobody dungeons with you. In PVP those ideals go out the window - it’s only “fun” if you hunt and harass people.

TL;DR Add an open PVP area, here comes the bad actors from WoW, Archeage, Destiny, and Overwatch. It wouldn’t be your kind of PVPers you claim you are in FF14. Here come the people who love to ruin other’s fun.

There's a lot of things I would contest in your statement.

Let's not act like people don't bicker and argue over hunts. Let's not act like all was fair and peaceful with the Shirogane housing rush. Or in dungeons or alliance raids when people are impatient or repeatedly perform wrong. Let's not act like people don't perform wrong on purpose just to upset others. Let's not act like people don't steal from FCs or maliciously undercut others on the market board. Let's not act like people don't judge and berate others for parses, despite the taboo of even parsing in the first place.

Bad behavior is not unique nor exclusive to PvP, and it's time to stop treating it like it is, or that it's a source of it. If that were the case, the above wouldn't happen so frequently, in content that has absolutely nothing to do with competition in the first place. It IS possible to be sportsmanlike in competitive gaming. Professionals do exactly that, and even then, it's not an exclusive right and privilege for them. We're all adults here, no one should NEED to be told to behave themselves and not act like a jerk, and yet many do, and without ever stepping foot in PvP. So it's not the grand source of toxicity people would make it out to be. And it goes without saying that because people like that exist, there are rules. There are ToS and reporting systems. But again, we're all adults. Behaving shouldn't be something most people need to learn to do the hard way.

Only fun if you hunt and harass people? Maybe for someone who just has that kind of ill temperament. Speaking only for myself, I enjoy PvP more when there's active, fierce competition. Sure, tempers might flare, passions might burn really hot, but nothing is more thrilling than a competition where both sides are giving 100%. The fun IS the competition. Do you know what comes out of that, more often than not in this game? People acknowledge each others' skills. It makes them want to work together. They become friends. Maybe you've had some bad experiences that have soured you, and that's truly unfortunate. But as an avid Destiny and Overwatch player as well, I can easily enjoy a heated match and go all out against someone, and assuming they're not just a nasty person with a bad attitude, I can enjoy it without treating it as some fun-ruining event that defines competitive gaming for me.

Mileage may vary from person to person, but don't fault competitive gaming/competitive modes/maps for the actions of negative people. The examples I gave show they'll be just as nasty even without competition involved.

[Kisama]

I want a relaxing sense of community where people aren’t screaming about banging my mother or threatening me in real life just because I may have killed them.

"I don't want pvp so it shouldn't be a feature for anybody." Such entitlement.

[Mirch]

The best part about all this? Sleep and Repose actually becomes useful.

feels pre stormblood man, fyi pvp was remade from scratch since 4.0 release, repose doesnt exist anymore, sleep mechanic and how it works is different too, it lasts 4second with no diminishing return (pre stormblood CC mechanic) and there is a fixed time resistance on such CC when the CC expires.

Because people get toxic. Competition in gaming is not sportsmanlike. Look at Overwatch. Look at WOW. I want a relaxing sense of community where people aren’t screaming about banging my mother or threatening me in real life just because I may have killed them. I hate having storyline interrupted by the selfishness or others who just want cheap kills by camping areas people rez in. It is a cycle of behavior that ruins the relaxing atmosphere of FF14. You’re working together in PVE content; it breeds being kind to each other. As you’re held accountable to your behavior; bad behavor, nobody dungeons with you. In PVP those ideals go out the window - it’s only “fun” if you hunt and harass people.

TL;DR Add an open PVP area, here comes the bad actors from WoW, Archeage, Destiny, and Overwatch. It wouldn’t be your kind of PVPers you claim you are in FF14. Here come the people who love to ruin other’s fun.

why u even here then if not goin to go in the pvp area smh because all your reasons

[Kisagami]

feels pre stormblood man, fyi pvp was remade from scratch since 4.0 release, repose doesnt exist anymore, sleep mechanic and how it works is different too, it lasts 4second with no diminishing return (pre stormblood CC mechanic) and there is a fixed time resistance on such CC when the CC expires.



why u even here then if not goin to go in the pvp area smh because all your reasons

Because I click “new posts” on the forums and particpate in suggestion threads such as these. I have a voice, I plan to use it. Square Enix can take my opinion with a grain of salt, but they will know it if they read this thread and the responses. They go with what the majority of players desire - and right now, an open world PVP is not it.

Anyone can debate in support or dissent on forums. I gave my feedback.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

They go with what the majority of players desire - and right now, an open world PVP is not it.

Anyone can debate in support or dissent on forums. I gave my feedback.

You're right. You have the right to speak up as much as anyone else.

What I, and many other PvPers hold issue with is the fact that People who don't or won't PvP at all are speaking about changes and what they do/don't want to see regarding PvP and SE simply looks at them as a majority view and makes terrible changes as a result. Look no further than the 4.0 changes; no one who PvPs regularly asked for any of those changes, and yet what we enjoyed - without bothering or forcing on anyone - has been changed for the sake of making a mass appeal to the playerbase that shunned and avoided it in the first place.

Now ask yourself, would you be fine if things were the other way around? If I perhaps didn't like and avoided PvE content that much and felt I deserve to comment on changes to it, even though I still wouldn't touch it. Would you be okay with SE going "Hmm, this is what the majority thinks, so let's go ahead and change it"?

[Divinemights]

I do play the frontline considerably but I am against the idea of open pvp. System wise, it will always be bard/ machnest trimph under current balttle system. It is boring and pointless.

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I do play the frontline considerably but I am against the idea of open pvp. System wise, it will always be bard/ machnest trimph under current balttle system. It is boring and pointless.

I've seen many good SAMs too lately. And no, healer still OP if it's 1 vs 1. Open world provides mechanism for NINs for more ambush, they can have 1-2 mobs for suiton on the road/go.

[Kisagami]

Now ask yourself, would you be fine if things were the other way around? If I perhaps didn't like and avoided PvE content that much and felt I deserve to comment on changes to it, even though I still wouldn't touch it. Would you be okay with SE going "Hmm, this is what the majority thinks, so let's go ahead and change it"?

Yes, I would be okay with it. I wouldn’t have a choice. There are so many other games to play, I could very well find another that would fit what i want to play. I don’t ask for thinks that would ruin the community feel of the game, and I’m stating what I feel would preserve what I love about the game. Other people can too. That is the beauty of free speech. And SE can take each person’s account as they’d like.

You have a right to voice your dissenting opinion to mine. But I’m not budging on mine just because you don’t like it and want to guilt me into silence just to get your way. I don’t like these proposed chances. I have experience in games where such a proposal ruins the game atmosphere.