In Regard to Housing in Patch 4.1

[Siniztor]

I only know what they said. Their actions against someone that's flipped probably more than a couple wards worth of houses while constantly being reported tells me either they don't care at all or they only give the Japan region employees the authority/tools to deal with these issues.

Thats not true there was a youtube video on the stormblood group on fb im in , where a twitch streamer was selling his plot and pulled into GM jail and banned. and they both clearly spoke english and i remember the server being a NA one just cant think of the name. Problem seems to be the GM work on a case by case each GM useing there own discretion.there needs to be a hardline of stright no you can not sell a plot for any amount period rule that all GMs follow.

I still say a random timer from the time a house is released to when its ups forsale would stop personal house selling. If they cant guarantee a buyer the plot they will have no buyers

[Dustytome]

Thats not true there was a youtube video on the stormblood group on fb im in , where a twitch streamer was selling his plot and pulled into GM jail and banned. and they both clearly spoke english and i remember the server being a NA one just cant think of the name. Problem seems to be the GM work on a case by case each GM useing there own discretion.there needs to be a hardline of stright no you can not sell a plot for any amount period rule that all GMs follow.

Was that the one from clear back when the new wards were released? I recall GMs being somewhat active on the issue for a very small chunk of time right around then, but for whatever reason it didn't actively carry through after that time period.

[Siniztor]

Was that the one from clear back when the new wards were released? I recall GMs being somewhat active on the issue for a very small chunk of time right around then, but for whatever reason it didn't actively carry through after that time period.

I honestly do not remember the date on the video.i do remember the streamer mentioning the hoildays and the shock of gettin banned

[StouterTaru]

they don't care at all or they only give the Japan region employees the authority/tools to deal with these issues.

It's closer to the exact opposite. On JP and EU datacenters, GMs have done jack squat about house selling and stated it was OK under ToS. On NA servers, people have had mixed replies from GMs and people got bans.

[Dustytome]

It's closer to the exact opposite. On JP and EU datacenters, GMs have done jack squat about house selling and stated it was OK under ToS. On NA servers, people have had mixed replies from GMs and people got bans.

Interesting, I thought the JP ones were going after them. So just a general disinterest in dealing with the issue company wide. :|

[Scardon]

What worries me is the response seems to indicate they will still be limited but simply handed out differently. Any auction system will still allow the super rich an advantage, be it through bidding very high or bidding on multiple plots at once. One per account, per server is more than reasonable, but I don't expect it to be done retroactively. Create any new wards where they can only be purchased if you are homeless on that server and account as well as restricting you from buying a plot on the 'regular' wards if you do.

It really comes down to this: Every subscriber is helping pay for this part of the game but no matter how much they want to many players CAN'T utilize it. Its not like high end raids or other content where they are simply opting out, players with more than enough gil to buy a plot and a house, can't. The only equivalent would be something like "Well 80 players already cleared the savage raids so no one else can play them on this server indefinitely."

[Dustytome]

Reported them again tonight just as they were selling a plot. Talking to a gm, managed to snag a picture (cut out to hide location/report info):

[Alleo]

Can you show me where in TOS it stated you are not allowed to resell a house?
All I can recall is Yoshida saying flipping for huge profits is something they don't stand behind. (E3 interview 2016 i believe)

Its not an extra point in the ToS right now but yes Yoshida did say that. The problem with that is, what exactly counts as big profit? I mean even if you just sell it for the original house price, the buyer will need to pay double the amount than normal.

Honestly they should have just said: if you sell it at all..I mean you could just wait till the counter is down and get some gil back if you dont want it anymore.

For me imo anyone selling a house for the original price or higher is already making a profit. (Because you normally only get 80% back) and doubles the price for the other person. Thats more than enough.

Its just bad that they have that stance about it itself being fine..what exactly is a profit then? So please get this in the rules asap..if people will read such GM answers they will feel even more justified in selling them..

[Scardon]

Unfortunately the 'rules' around it are so vague and behavior is hard to prove with intent reselling houses is 'practically' allowed. Its like speeding being illegal but with no way to detect it and no cops patrolling for it.

[Rinuko]

Its not an extra point in the ToS right now but yes Yoshida did say that. The problem with that is, what exactly counts as big profit? I mean even if you just sell it for the original house price, the buyer will need to pay double the amount than normal.

Honestly they should have just said: if you sell it at all..I mean you could just wait till the counter is down and get some gil back if you dont want it anymore.

For me imo anyone selling a house for the original price or higher is already making a profit. (Because you normally only get 80% back) and doubles the price for the other person. Thats more than enough.

Its just bad that they have that stance about it itself being fine..what exactly is a profit then? So please get this in the rules asap..if people will read such GM answers they will feel even more justified in selling them..

That's the base problem, its vague. What is a big profit? What a high amount? Example 50M to me isnt a lot, but it might be for someone else. It's to subjective and up to interpretation - can't be easy to judge this as a GM if its not a obvious plot flip.



I'm just kinda tired on the argument its against TOS when it's not. The producer have stated they not fine with it when its flipped for high amount (which again is super vague).
Anyone is free to correct me if i'm wrong but i can't find it in the TOS. But until its part of the TOS it's not.