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    Housing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Abelfei View Post
    If the people " who really wanted " houses wanted them as bad as you think, they'd have one.

    Thats where you are completely wrong. If you have read the posts, you would have seen that there are plenty of people that would really want A house, but because of greed and gold sellers, The housing market was gone in less then 10 minutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damous View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Abelfei View Post
    If the people " who really wanted " houses wanted them as bad as you think, they'd have one.

    Thats where you are completely wrong. If you have read the posts, you would have seen that there are plenty of people that would really want A house, but because of greed and gold sellers, The housing market was gone in less then 10 minutes.
    If it was only a handfull of people maybe...but truth is the shiro houses gone in 10 mins is due to SE not releasing enough supply.. when you have servers with 5,000 + homeless people and you release 720 houses no matter what there gonna be gone in 10 mins
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abelfei View Post
    They are worth whatever people will pay for them.
    You do know that selling houses is against the ToS? So kinda implying that people can get them if they have enough gil (thus buying from others) means that people should go against the rules of the game to get something. Also since Gil itself has no real meaning in this game other than for glamour and housing I am quite sure that we would still not have enough houses even if they would cost that much.
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    Letter from the Producer LIVE Part IX Q&A Summary (10/30/2013)
    Q: Will there be any maintenance fees or other costs for housing, besides the cost of the land and house?
    A: In older MMOs, such as Ultima Online, there was a house maintenance fee you had to pay weekly, but in FFXIV: ARR we decided against this system. Similarly, these older MMOs also had a system where your house would break down if you didn’t log in after a while in order to have you continue your subscription, but this is a thing of the past and we won't have any system like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShayeraRyn View Post
    I completely agree with this. The apartments should allow for like another room at least because if you think about it it could solve some issues with the housing as it is right there but still we should be allowed to grant permissions to friends or even an FC since a lot of FCs don't have housing right now because of how things are set up currently.
    I actually rather like the apartment I've managed to put together in that small space.
    I wouldn't mind more, but I'm happy with what I've got....


    Except for gardening.
    I can't crossbreed anything...

    And, when interacting with my pots, I'm restricted to the default 'use item' animation, I don't get the nifty animations from gardening in a 'real plot'

    No watering can animation, no weeding animation, etc...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaranTatsuuchi View Post
    I actually rather like the apartment I've managed to put together in that small space.
    I wouldn't mind more, but I'm happy with what I've got....


    Except for gardening.
    I can't crossbreed anything...

    And, when interacting with my pots, I'm restricted to the default 'use item' animation, I don't get the nifty animations from gardening in a 'real plot'

    No watering can animation, no weeding animation, etc...
    SE should just release a oblong flower pot that would allow cross-breeding. It shouldn't have as many slots as an actual garden plot, but it'd be better than nothing for the ones without a house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
    You do know that selling houses is against the ToS? So kinda implying that people can get them if they have enough gil (thus buying from others) means that people should go against the rules of the game to get something. Also since Gil itself has no real meaning in this game other than for glamour and housing I am quite sure that we would still not have enough houses even if they would cost that much.
    Can you show me where in TOS it stated you are not allowed to resell a house?
    All I can recall is Yoshida saying flipping for huge profits is something they don't stand behind. (E3 interview 2016 i believe)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rinuko View Post
    Can you show me where in TOS it stated you are not allowed to resell a house?
    All I can recall is Yoshida saying flipping for huge profits is something they don't stand behind. (E3 interview 2016 i believe)
    I talked to a GM recently and they stated they don't take issue with anyone selling their house or their fc, but they DO take issue with someone buying a plot to resell it. I don't have a screenshot unfortunately as I was dead tired and only thought to do so after swapping characters, but of course the convo was gone by then. I was happy to get a non-canned response, but even so the house flipper continues on (and got a nice plot 30 for himself from another flipper) so even speaking to someone ended with as meaningful a result as the canned responses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dustytome View Post
    I talked to a GM recently and they stated they don't take issue with anyone selling their house or their fc, but they DO take issue with someone buying a plot to resell it. I don't have a screenshot unfortunately as I was dead tired and only thought to do so after swapping characters, but of course the convo was gone by then. I was happy to get a non-canned response, but even so the house flipper continues on (and got a nice plot 30 for himself from another flipper) so even speaking to someone ended with as meaningful a result as the canned responses.
    Seems to me its still a thin line. What if A (seller) bought a plot, build a house then its OK? vs A buy a plot and never build a house and just resell a empty plot?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rinuko View Post
    Can you show me where in TOS it stated you are not allowed to resell a house?
    All I can recall is Yoshida saying flipping for huge profits is something they don't stand behind. (E3 interview 2016 i believe)
    Its not an extra point in the ToS right now but yes Yoshida did say that. The problem with that is, what exactly counts as big profit? I mean even if you just sell it for the original house price, the buyer will need to pay double the amount than normal.

    Honestly they should have just said: if you sell it at all..I mean you could just wait till the counter is down and get some gil back if you dont want it anymore.

    For me imo anyone selling a house for the original price or higher is already making a profit. (Because you normally only get 80% back) and doubles the price for the other person. Thats more than enough.

    Its just bad that they have that stance about it itself being fine..what exactly is a profit then? So please get this in the rules asap..if people will read such GM answers they will feel even more justified in selling them..
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    Letter from the Producer LIVE Part IX Q&A Summary (10/30/2013)
    Q: Will there be any maintenance fees or other costs for housing, besides the cost of the land and house?
    A: In older MMOs, such as Ultima Online, there was a house maintenance fee you had to pay weekly, but in FFXIV: ARR we decided against this system. Similarly, these older MMOs also had a system where your house would break down if you didn’t log in after a while in order to have you continue your subscription, but this is a thing of the past and we won't have any system like that.

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