Built-in Parsers

[DeaconMoore]

As far as training dummies go the playing field is already level. You don't need a parser. If you can stomp that dummy in 2:50 and then next time stomp it in 2:30 That is a clearly visible and measurable improvement.
Like wise if you can smash it in 2:50 AND next time the 3 minutes us up while the dummy still has 3% health it's a clearly visible and measurable decrease in your performance..

Just because there no actual fps number doesn't mean you can't accurately measure or compare your performance

Oy that is technically true for the whole game. It also fails to serve the purposes of a damage meter. To show you the numbers. Seeing the actual numbers lets you see how big your epeen is, compare it to others at a glance and determine whose is bigger and better and whose is limp and pathetic. It also makes determining why you're killing things faster by showing you what's the bread and butter of your rotation that you really really don't want to eff up. As well as allow you to more easily experiment and see the actual results so you can build off of that.

[Lambdafish]

Its a lot like a college paper come to think of it. If you don't have the credentials to prove you know what you're talking about, you have to cite someone who does.

And this is the reasonable counterargument to someone bringing up FFlogs. You can be well researched in a job without playing it. I personally only have DRK at 61 but I can talk about it because my co-tank is a DRK and I have looked into the strengths and weaknesses of the job, and how it interacts with the party on a raid level. I don't have DRK levelled, I don't know if I could play DRK as effectively as my PLD, but I do know DRK in some shape or form.

This is me citing my sources and circumventing my lack of credentials in a reasonable manner, and making people aware that I know what I am talking about despite proof of the contrary, and it is my responsibility to make that known if called out. Complaining about FFlogs is not a good enough counterargument.

[Kacho_Nacho]

No. DDDDDD

*snerk* *chuckle*

[vp_cmc]

As far as training dummies go the playing field is already level. You don't need a parser. If you can stomp that dummy in 2:50 and then next time stomp it in 2:30 That is a clearly visible and measurable improvement.

Or maybe you just had some lucky crits and procs?

[SDaemon]

As far as training dummies go the playing field is already level. You don't need a parser. If you can stomp that dummy in 2:50 and then next time stomp it in 2:30 That is a clearly visible and measurable improvement.

Yay you did it faster! .....how? what did you do that made it faster? That you cleared it faster gives you nothing to work with.

[Ilan]

As far as training dummies go the playing field is already level. You don't need a parser. If you can stomp that dummy in 2:50 and then next time stomp it in 2:30 That is a clearly visible and measurable improvement.
Like wise if you can smash it in 2:50 AND next time the 3 minutes us up while the dummy still has 3% health it's a clearly visible and measurable decrease in your performance..

Just because there no actual fps number doesn't mean you can't accurately measure or compare your performance

Grats you know now that you can kill a dummy faster without dealing with phases where it is invulnerable, where you can't hit positionals and where you don't have to do mechanics. Basically the dummys are not even close to a parser.

[MoroMurasaki]

I'm genuinely convinced some of you people have no context for a reasonable discussion. Rather than respond to what is being said all you can do is yell about "duty finder is for everyone" and "damn elitists!" and frankly it just makes you look unintelligent when you quote a post then literally respond to none of it. I get that this is just a forum for a game but wow.

Once you start kicking people you are wasting just as much time. Kicking someone because of a number that he/she can't even see IS elitist, yes.

The long and short of it is; If you are queuing in the duty finder for "hard" content you should expect to wipe a few times. I mean seriously, I've been playing MMO since Everquest. I'm surprised how people in this game are surprised that random people kind of suck. Is this your first MMO? This isn't a new concept.

I mean really, look at other games MOBA, FPS, RTS. It's the same thing. Randos kind of suck. Just deal with it, its never going to change. Or do what people figured out a long time ago and create a static or group or guild or linkshell or company or whatever else you want to call and only play with just those people.

Gonna respond to your points one by one.

If parsers were part of the game (as this thread suggests) no one would get kicked for a number they can't see. If you're grey in a group of purples maybe it's time to read some guides.

I never said I wasn't okay with wiping a few times. My first fully pugged Susano EX run had 4 wipes before the clear, my first Lakshmi had 3 and I've tolerated a lot worse in the past and will continue in the future.

I don't have to segregate myself from the general community because I don't want to carry people all the time that is like half the point of vote kick as a function. As I have said repeatedly I do not personally kick many players at all, I only defend the right of the playerbase to do so if their motion to dismiss someone passes. If you meam to suggest that not wanting to carry someone who doesn't seem to be trying to improve is elitist then sure, yeah, someone mail me my elitist pin.

you can only speak for yourself not "a bunch of others" so ya... maybe want check what you are typing on being high maintenance/high standards.

What even is this? What is the "bunch of others" in quotes? I don't understand what you're referring to. I speak for myself but I will continue to argue in favor of players with higher standards than I do being allowed to hold their groups to those standards, especially anything premade.

I'm not sure if this is a grammar issue or what, I just genuinely don't understand what you're trying to say.

If your group handled the mechanics correctly, yes you would have cleared, so long as each DPS member was doing the amount of DPS required to clear the fight. In your situation, you needed higher than necessary DPS to brute force your way through the fight. I have no issue with this if it is advertised as such, such as all those PF parties of the past that advertised them as "Skipping Soar". If that is what the group is setting out to do more power to them, and players go in knowing they need to push higher than normal numbers.

Yes, our PF stated we were trying to beat more than enrage. Sadly with the toxic mentality of the anti parser crowd even if our FC leader at the time knew what the specific DPS requirements were they couldn't have advertised them clearly without a fear of being reported for parsing. Probably would have saved a few people from getting kicked.

Also in response to the idea that dummies/SSS exists as a parser... How many people could clear OS dummies but have no hope at actual OS? I imagine a giant f*ckton. Dummies are literally garbage outside nailing down a rotation, they teach you virtually nothing about any given fight.

Yay you did it faster! .....how? what did you do that made it faster? That you cleared it faster gives you nothing to work with.

Exactly this.

[Dzian]

Yay you did it faster! .....how? what did you do that made it faster? That you cleared it faster gives you nothing to work with.

neither does just a dps number. it's exactly the same thing as your comment.

yay you're 200dps higher? how? what did you do that made it higher? just the fact you got 200 more dps gives you nothing to work with...

[dotsforlife]

neither does just a dps number. it's exactly the same thing as your comment.

yay you're 200dps higher? how? what did you do that made it higher? the fact you got 200 more dps gives you nothing to work with...

Except that parsers can answer the why and how but a dummy is basically a pat on the back.

Don't speak on something you clearly have no knowledge of.

[DeaconMoore]

neither does just a dps number. it's exactly the same thing as your comment.

yay you're 200dps higher? how? what did you do that made it higher? the fact you got 200 more dps gives you nothing to work with...

Heh, someones never used a parser before. They don't just tell you your dps #. They also breakdown how you got that dps # and usually other statistics that gives you something to work with.