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    Taika's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert_Ilcri View Post
    No support. We don't need more reasons for people to start kicking people out of groups just because a number was lacking in THEIR own opinion.
    Sure, it's much better to kick people because someone thinks their numbers might be lacking, right? Parsers bring transparency: everyone can objectively see who's pulling their weight and who's not. If you get kicked for low numbers, you know exactly what your numbers were and how they compared to the rest of the group. Sure, people can set their own expectations higher than "enough to clear", but that's their right, isn't it? Although personally I don't see that scenario as very likely, as in random party finder groups people seem to settle for "good enough" (and often lower than that, if the group is able to clear). Furthermore, with parsers no one can claim you're doing worse than others or that you're not doing good enough in situations where that isn't true. You can just answer with "no, look, I'm doing just as good as everyone else".

    Can you give an example of a practical situation you think might happen with official parsers that would be truly unfair and isn't already happening in a less transparent form with unofficial parsers?


    I personally don't think a person getting kicked because of actually constantly performing on a significantly lower level than everyone else in the party in content where performance matter (Savages, Extremes, Ultimate) is in any way unfair. That person should not be in that content in the first place before they can pull their own weight in the party, and they don't have any right to force others to work harder just to carry them through.

    Edit: About the suggestion in OP, I think it would be a much simpler solution to just make it a party feature that the party leader can turn on for any content done in a premade party. Then people who wish to use them could join parties where they are available, and people who don't wish to use them won't have to. The content done with premades is already mostly the content where a parser is needed, so it would make sense that way as well.
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    Last edited by Taika; 10-27-2017 at 07:55 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taika View Post
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    Or people can just up their tolerance. I've never said anything negative to/booted anyone even if they consistently mess up. If I have to/am able, I just pick up the slack myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saziel View Post
    Or people can just up their tolerance. I've never said anything negative to/booted anyone even if they consistently mess up. If I have to/am able, I just pick up the slack myself.
    People are free to carry others through content, but they shouldn't be forced to. In a content that demands certain level of performance (such as Ultimate as an obvious example), a person coming there and knowingly not pulling their weight is being very disrespectful towards their fellow team members. I actually had one of these today: we put up a PF for OS4 GCO learning. A WHM joined the party. Turns out, they couldn't even clear Exdeath. Logs showed us they had exactly 1 previous kill and that was a (very likely) bought carry. This person had no business joining that party in the first place, and all they did was waste everyone's time.

    You can be as tolerant you want, but in my eyes respect goes both ways. No one should be expected to be perfect, mistakes and whatnot should be tolerated, but everyone should also meet the base requirements set by the group and do their best to carry their weight.

    Edit: You say you're doing your best to pick up other people's slack, but do you actually even do any of the content I'm talking about here? Couldn't find any current Savage or Extreme logs for you either.
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    Last edited by Taika; 10-27-2017 at 08:20 AM.