DRK Consolidated Feedback Thread

[Zero_Griever]

I am not sure if it has been suggested, but how about Dark Passenger also restoring time on Blood Weapon + Blood Price? (4 / 6 Seconds)

Trait that reduces Dark Passenger cooldown every time Dark Arts is used by 1 second.

Using Dark Arts ensures a critical strike. Keep the mana cost the same.

[akisya]

Then it would just be a DA, I don't really see the point in that. Yeah would be nice for 2 and more targets but I don't see why they'd do that. The 150 pot was a gain even on single target, which is nice but I also understand why they changed it, the ability is obviously meant for AoE.

A 140 potency DP is a gain under most party buffs (on top of darkside) over a 140 potency increase with DA on BS/SE/SS, since party buffs don't affect DA.

[hoax]

A 140 potency DP is a gain under most party buffs (on top of darkside) over a 140 potency increase with DA on BS/SE/SS, since party buffs don't affect DA.

Yes but the reason they nerfed it in the first place is because the dps gain is only supposed to be seen with 2 or more targets, why'd they make an AoE a dps gain on 1 target?

[SyzzleSpark]

This whole codswallop of DP being "clearly intended for AoE only" needs to go the way of the dinosaur. Circle of Scorn, Dragonfire Dive, Death Flare, Elixir Field... there is more precedent for off-GCD AoE abilities (i.e. not weaponskills/spells, GCDs) being useful in single target rotations (as well as not costing an arm and a leg) than there is for the reverse, so I submit that this whole idea of SE wanting AoE abilities to stay useless outside of AoE is faulty and we can move on now.

Just to get this thread back on track, a 10 potency buff to DP and its reintegration into our ST rotation will not fix DRK without similar changes to its mitigation and utility. This is if SE follows their current trend of just giving everybody everything that everybody has. If they'd like to deviate from that we'd need a significant buff in one particular department to push us well ahead in that one area and give us a niche.

[Xenosan]

They nerfed a collection of AOE across multiple jobs in 4.0, though some got buffed oddly..

I believe it has to do with lower lvl dungeons getting their difficulty eased each expansion, and so lots of low level 'bonus' AOEs were reigned in to prevent them from being too cheese. In DRKs case, Unleashed and DP.

But then they discovered that removing Darkside's MP drain destroyed all presence of DRK identity until lvl45, so they raised Dark Passenger's MP cost to make create some faux sense of MP management at lower lvls.

Just what I speculate on how it went down.

[TouchandFeel]

Honestly, I feel DP's biggest issue with balancing is that it has a resource cost and is on a recast timer.
They just need to get rid of the resource cost and then rebalance the numbers from there.

[hoax]

This whole codswallop of DP being "clearly intended for AoE only" needs to go the way of the dinosaur. Circle of Scorn, Dragonfire Dive, Death Flare, Elixir Field... there is more precedent for off-GCD AoE abilities (i.e. not weaponskills/spells, GCDs) being useful in single target rotations (as well as not costing an arm and a leg) than there is for the reverse, so I submit that this whole idea of SE wanting AoE abilities to stay useless outside of AoE is faulty and we can move on now.

Do you have a better reason why they nerfed it then? And the ones you named don't have the MP cost of 2400.

[akisya]

Putting the thread back on track: DRK plays fine as it is currently, the problem is the amount of damage it spits out for the amount of effort you put into it. Attempting to prep enough mana and gauge for 1-2 bloodspiller(s) and 1 C&S every minute for a NIN's trick attack window is a lot more challenging than your PLD's FoF GB-RA-RA Req-HS spam rotation that ignores party buff windows, imo.

Even if you do execute DRK's rotation perfectly in a speedrun, PLDs will still out damage you if they do their set rotation perfectly as well. On top of that, PLDs defensive rotation is the easiest to manage out of all the tanks. With PLDs not needing to keep track of their gauge, their sheltron (-26%, 10 whopping seconds duration) will always be up for every tankbuster. I'm okay with PLDs having easy defensive management, but not okay with them having such a easy time doing damage too. Might as well take 2 PLDs for ultimate prog, they are already close enough to WAR damage.

[Mekhana]

PLDs also have the RNG from blocking on their end. Meaning even if they don't do anything, there's a chance they'll live through if the healers can react to it.

[akisya]

PLDs also have the RNG from blocking on their end. Meaning even if they don't do anything, there's a chance they'll live through if the healers can react to it.

Yes, PLDs in O1-3S can passively block very hard hitting auto-attacks without Bulwark. And yes, they can pop absolutely nothing and still block a tankbuster, but most PLDs wouldn't do that anyways (atleast i would hope so). They will also spam Sheltron for Shield Swipe if there's no tankbusters coming soon.

Overall, PLDs take a lot less damage than WAR and DRK, especially with Hallowed Ground. SE should probably either nerf PLD damage or increase DRK a lot and WAR a little.