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  1. #1
    Player
    FallenWings's Avatar
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    Xyasreau Borlaaq
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    Tonberry
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    Warrior Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by WhyAmIHere View Post
    I mean, I know this is gonna come off as dickish, but if the creators themselves said this challenge isn't for just anyone, and that to even get to attempt it you need to clear o4s, it implies you need to go into it expecting it to be ""unfair"". To expect every class, flaws and all, to be able to effectively clear this content seems too expectant IMO. Yes, every class should be able to do all content, that much I agree with. But, not every class will have an equal ability to do it, and trying to take a weaker job into it at all seems like you're shooting yourself in the foot.
    DRK's new Job Description.

    "A knight that fights the injustice of the self righteous. They are however the weakest of the front liners and do not take damage as well as their bretheren. Unable to swing their huge oversized swords effectively, their only ability is to make some very dark and edgy particles while costing an arm and a leg!!"

    Here are some recent notable reviews from the players!

    "drk sucks"
    "delete drk"
    "dont play drk, not meta"

    Be a dark knight today! Be the weakest class in Stormblood that will be shunned by the community due to their overall ineffectiveness!

    - SE
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    Crater's Avatar
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    Jade Nixx
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    Balmung
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    Marauder Lv 90
    If SE's attitude toward class balance is "Hey, we said this is hard, so if you can't clear it on a certain class that's not our problem!" then I'd like them to be up front about that so that people have a chance to unsubscribe from the game.

    The chances that they feel that way are close to zero, and the chances that you are actually literally unable to clear the fight with a DRK are about as small, but I've yet to see anyone even come close to saying anything like "Actually, DRK might be better than [PLD/WAR] in this one!" and can't really imagine a situation where that would be the case, so hopefully that (combined with plenty of feedback elsewhere) will be enough of a shock to SE's sytem to do something about it, sooner rather than later.
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    DRKoftheAzure's Avatar
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    Strea Leonhart
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    Diabolos
    Main Class
    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Crater View Post
    If SE's attitude toward class balance is "Hey, we said this is hard, so if you can't clear it on a certain class that's not our problem!" then I'd like them to be up front about that so that people have a chance to unsubscribe from the game.

    The chances that they feel that way are close to zero, and the chances that you are actually literally unable to clear the fight with a DRK are about as small, but I've yet to see anyone even come close to saying anything like "Actually, DRK might be better than [PLD/WAR] in this one!" and can't really imagine a situation where that would be the case, so hopefully that (combined with plenty of feedback elsewhere) will be enough of a shock to SE's sytem to do something about it, sooner rather than later.
    Therein lies the answer as to why a lot of DRK mains have yet to stop subscribing to/playing the game... they want to squeeze every bit of money they can by withholding information...
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    347SPECTRE's Avatar
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    Khirrika Moshroca
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    Midgardsormr
    Main Class
    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    The PLD band wagon still has crappy suspension so it makes for a bumpy ride.To me (really shouldn't have to emphasize that this is my opinion based on MY personal experience.) It plays like cold butter on soft bread, gameplay wise.
    (1)

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    SyzzleSpark's Avatar
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    Pixiline Paradigm
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    Sargatanas
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    Summoner Lv 66
    In an expansion promising balance they've somehow managed to make one tank indisputably the worst in its role by every conceivable metric of consequence, and moreover, they've managed to cement it in that position just in time to release perhaps the most difficult content in the game's history. At this point I'm just dying to know why.

    Fights like UCOB should be released only after every possible balance adjustment needed has been addressed in some form or fashion. The gate to entry should be clearing o4s or whatever the 4th floor of a given tier may be, and not what job you are playing. In a 12-13 minute fight there is more than enough time to feature mechanics that play to every job's strengths, but if you're putting a fight like this out there when there are jobs that *have* no strengths, its a major slap in the face. Even if DRK is not "optimal" for the fight, it should at least have something to bring to the table, should you decide to use it. DRK wasn't optimal for A7s either, but people could still bring it back in the day because while PLD was better for that particular fight in the eyes of most people, DRK still had things to offer, such as higher DPS, softening up sizzle spark a bit, etc.

    When your main job is in the state that DRK is and a fight like UCOB comes out, it sucks, really bad. Functioning at a disadvantage like this when every job has to be at their best to compete feels awful, before you even queue in.
    (8)
    Last edited by SyzzleSpark; 10-30-2017 at 07:41 PM.

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    Chrono_Rising's Avatar
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    Gulvioir Muruc
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Not sure if everyone saw this, but did we see the reason for the shake it off buff?

    «Warrior»
    Warrior’s party utility will be increased by changing the effect of Shake It Off and adjusting its party defending capabilities to be more in balance with that of paladin and dark knight.

    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/350624

    I'm guessing their response to TBN feedback is that our utility is equivalent to paladin.
    (4)

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    Shao Kuraisenshi
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    Ragnarok
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Chrono_Rising View Post
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    yeah i saw it too this morning, was hilarious read "in balance", i did not know if laugh or just facepalm, i did both.
    (0)
    Last edited by shao32; 11-02-2017 at 11:41 AM.

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    Sargatanas
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    Summoner Lv 66
    Quote Originally Posted by shao32 View Post
    yeah i saw it too this morning, was hilarious read "in balance", i did not know if laugh or just facepalm, i did both.
    I've been saying since the beginning that as powerful as TBN is for ourselves, it is not all it is cracked up to be on a party member. I've seen regens tick for bigger numbers than a 10% TBN is worth.
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    Mattiux's Avatar
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    Mattiux Black
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    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Chrono_Rising View Post

    Warrior’s party utility will be increased by changing the effect of Shake It Off and adjusting its party defending capabilities to be more in balance with that of paladin and dark knight.
    We must have a party mitigation skill to unlock somewhere then xD

    The whole DrK situation is starting to appear really grotesquely.
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  10. #10
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    DRKoftheAzure's Avatar
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    Strea Leonhart
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    Diabolos
    Main Class
    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Chrono_Rising View Post
    Not sure if everyone saw this, but did we see the reason for the shake it off buff?

    I'm guessing their response to TBN feedback is that our utility is equivalent to paladin.
    How they came up with that idea is beyond me and sounds like they want to go back to 2.xx party comps... the solution for is so simple yet they choose to make things more complicated for balance adjustments...
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