Is the vote kick system improperly implemented for how it's actually being used?

[Snow_Princess]

Congratulations: You just found yet another flaw in the 4-man party setup.In a 4-man setup, 2vs2 ties can happen and there's no fair way to make a resolution.

In a 5-man setup, the 5th person acts as a tiebreaker - It's always either 3vs2 or 4vs1, a clear majority and a clear minority.

Just write it on the:"Why it was a bad idea to make parties be 4 man" list.

That might be a good overhaul for 5.0, make it 1 tank, 1 healer, 3 dps, none of this 2 v 2 premade situations, then it is whoever gets the vote kick up first.

I don't see kick abuse much at all when I'm solo queueing dungeons. It's very rare.

So, if it's happening to someone enough that they're feeling like the system is set up to be exploited, I would suggest that they ask themselves if the system is really the one at fault. If you're getting kicked a lot, it's far less likely to be because of troll premades getting their jollies by harrassing people. What you might see as acceptable behaviour might not be seen the same way by others.

It is not " very rare" just rare.

The best solo queue harassment I seen was on my BLM during HW. A tank refused to play properly, and I would use quelling, and got hate again about 3 sec after it wore off. I was told "push less buttons" and was kicked.

Any event, Kick abuse should be taken more seriously. It does not matter how "rare" it is, there should be more efforts to not enabling trolling.

I have another question now that I think about it, if a majority premade enters a trial, and "votes" to keep wiping it, and kicks the people trying to perform it right, what then? how is the majority correct in that case? (Yes it happened)

I have close to 7,000 duties on my main alone not counting my 5 fully leveled alts and I can say that people are rarely kicked in duty finder in my experience unless they AFK or DC. I would venture to say those who see a lot more kicks may in fact be the ones initiating the kicks or are talking about party finder and duties like clears for deltascape and the like where people join who have no clears or who are seriously under performing.

No, tends to happen more when you are in some sort of premade, like 2 or 3 queuing together.

[Cenerae]

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I think you're kind of proving my point here. It obviously hasn't happened much to you either, or you'd have more than the one huge eye roller of a story (I wonder how that tank's friend/s put up with that sort of attitude). Rare is rare, even if you might quibble over *how* rare.

I don't believe I ever said that kick abuse shouldn't be taken seriously though. I simply said that people who seem to think that it's common enough to be a big problem are probably getting kicked due to their own actions more than to the rare abusive premade kicks. People that are abusing the kick system absolutely should be punished for it, however.

Also, extending the group composition to 3 dps, 1 tank 1 healer won't stop those rare abusive kicks from happening. Because 3 man premades are a thing too. Could easily see more of those with an extra slot for DPS being allowed.