Is the vote kick system improperly implemented for how it's actually being used?

[BigRed5392]

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but personal experience (with over 1000 completed instances) says that abuse of votekicks happens less than 1% of the time. I've been troll kicked a total of twice since I've started playing, and seen maybe 5 abusive kicks on other people. Perhaps I'm lucky, or perhaps people this happens to on a more regular basis are actually doing things to invite it. For instance, if you're doggedly trying to enforce your own personal preference of playstyle on strangers that aren't ok with it, you invite a potential kick.

you're just lucky. I've seen the latter. And people rarely "ask for it" most people just play the game and try to communicate to people when need to.

[kikix12]

you're just lucky. I've seen the latter. And people rarely "ask for it" most people just play the game and try to communicate to people when need to.

I think you're just biased cause it's easier to remember the bad than the good. In about ten months of me playing, I saw two or three kicks in total. Two on the same person, in a span of two days...just cause that person did not do a thing after entering a dungeon. Ah...one was a kick in PvP for botting. I never saw a kick for anything gameplay related or a personality related. And I am anything but lucky. And there were times when I was in horrid parties where people kept arguing and what not, where kicking was most certainly a valid option.

On a different note, being overly defensive and saying "I play how I want to, if you don't like then it's your problem" IS inviting a kick. Dungeons/trials are first and foremost party play content. You don't play them how you want to. You play them how the party wants to. And that applies to all the people involved. Most of the time, party lets everyone do stuff their own way, and that's fine. But sometimes you get into a party that does not, and that wants to do it a specific way. Either adapt...or leave on your own. If not, whether excusable or not, you may end up being kicked.

Now, I don't say either that kicking for gameplay differences is either good or bad. I just state the facts, how people react to things. When dealing with others, unlike when dealing with computers...you accept the fact that your opinion and your way does not need to always be the one followed by the group. It's simple as that.

[Taika]

I don't see kick abuse much at all when I'm solo queueing dungeons. It's very rare.

So, if it's happening to someone enough that they're feeling like the system is set up to be exploited, I would suggest that they ask themselves if the system is really the one at fault. If you're getting kicked a lot, it's far less likely to be because of troll premades getting their jollies by harrassing people. What you might see as acceptable behaviour might not be seen the same way by others.

This. I solo queue for almost everything in DF. In my entire time playing the game (since 1.0), I have been kicked from a party once, in 2014 I think. I've played on both NA and EU data centres. It's also rare to see others being kicked from DF parties. If this happens to you often, consider the option that the fault may not be in everyone else.

[kikix12]

Still, kicking right before the last boss, while not doing anything about it before, is a jerk move. If a problem arises, it should be solved at first opportunity or "ignored" all the way to the end.

As for the suggestion for a vote...that's not actually needed. That's what chat is for.

Recently, while leveling my Paladin, I ended up in a party with one DPS wanting to clear Haukke Manor fully. He went ahead and picked up mobs that are out of the way, in additional rooms etc. When he pulled the mobs on the side next to the first boss, I told him that I would prefer it if he told me if he wanted a full clear instead of pulling the mobs himself. He said that he's there for experience and he does, but someone else said they wanted a fast clear. After the first boss was downed, I asked the members whether they want fast clear or full clear. My vote excluded, for an odd amount of people. He wanted full clear but both of the others wanted fast clear. And we went ahead with a fast clear. He didn't cause problems about that.

Why do you need a mechanic to allow for something like that? Sure, the auto abandon is a function that this doesn't offer...but then again...many parties would not be particularly happy about that. They would prefer to "talk it over" in case of a tie (which wouldn't even happen if there's anyone that would be fine either way, like it was the case in me).

[Areic]

They should also lower the value of people que'ing together through DF, as two people together can boot someone for no good reason.

Me and my girlfriend were doing some leveling dungeons. The run had went very smooth, no one said anything. A few pulls before the last boss of the 69 dungeon the other two people in our party hit 70, some catgirl couple. Next thing I know, I was booted from the dungeon, according to my girlfriend they set up a kick and passed it with just those two, and left immediately afterwards.

Thats one big downfall of only 4 man parties and their vote kick system

[JunseiKei]

They should also lower the value of people que'ing together through DF, as two people together can boot someone for no good reason.

Me and my girlfriend were doing some leveling dungeons. The run had went very smooth, no one said anything. A few pulls before the last boss of the 69 dungeon the other two people in our party hit 70, some catgirl couple. Next thing I know, I was booted from the dungeon, according to my girlfriend they set up a kick and passed it with just those two, and left immediately afterwards.

Thats one big downfall of only 4 man parties and their vote kick system

See, I'd have reported that as they initiated the kick to leave the dungeon immediately after leveling, avoiding the penalty. That's one of those things that should really be taken as a case-by-case abuse of vote kicking. Especially with how close you said you were near the end of the dungeon. They could have just as easily asked to be kicked and been replaced.

[Areic]

See, I'd have reported that as they initiated the kick to leave the dungeon immediately after leveling, avoiding the penalty. That's one of those things that should really be taken as a case-by-case abuse of vote kicking. Especially with how close you said you were near the end of the dungeon. They could have just as easily asked to be kicked and been replaced.

Oh trust me, we reported the heck out of that. I don't mind if you want to be kicked to avoid a timer or something but douche moves like that are a pain.

[Mandudez]

Oh trust me, we reported the heck out of that. I don't mind if you want to be kicked to avoid a timer or something but douche moves like that are a pain.

Even worse is when you're kicked from a roulette and have to re-queue and do it all over again. The GM's hands should not be tied if it's a clear cut case such as yours and you shouldn't have to waste your time doing it all over again.

[Xlantaa]

Yes it is, like any other MMO. But, there is no other way to implement it. How you detect is a fair kick or a abusive kick? You put moderators to check every single kick in their context to determine if it is fair or not? This is one of the thing that rely on the community. If the community is shit, will be used in the wrong way. So, I think make a better community is what solves the problem. But that is a hard path.

[demonette]

I think the only weird thing is that it counts the vote of the accuser but not the accused. Since logically the accuser/initiator will always be a 'yes' (since why else would you start it?), and the accused is assumed to be against it, then neither should be counted. This way it requires a majority rather than half.