Is the vote kick system improperly implemented for how it's actually being used?

[Rokke]

My solution to prevent abusing of the vote system is to force players to write a short report explaining the reasons on which they decide to dismiss someone, said report should then be seen by all party members, including the one to be dismissed, after that the voting would take place and if the majority agrees one player should be dismissed!...

You know people are still going to click yes/no to get the chat window out of the way, right? The same way people click yes in a ready check even when they're not ready.

In addition, unless they give the auto-translate tool a major overhaul, certain data centers are going to have even more cases of not being able to read other language's complaints. If I'm on my EU alt and a pop up in french happens, both me and the person getting voted on are SOL lol

[SigmaOZ]

You know there's a language setting that prevents that from happening entirely!...

If set to a single language under Duty Finder, you shouldn't get a player from other region and such barriers could no longer be an excuse!...

I know there are brain dead players in Eorzea whom just click whatever and don't care at all about what they do but I'm sure they would wonder why they found themselves in the prison in Limsa Lominsa all of a sudden, which should be the punishment for those vote kicking unfairly, so the GMs can explain to them why they are being banned from the game temporarily or permanently!...

[Niwashi]

They made it this way so there would not be any stalemate. If a person is kicked, then its, because majority wanted him or her gone. If all 4 or all 8 could vote and 50% is for the kick and 50% is against the kick, then there would be a deadlock and the group would not progress.

I think its better this way, its not perfect, but better then a stalemate.

No, actually the current version doesn't mean the majority wanted him or her gone. That's the issue here. A majority of four is three. A majority of eight is five. That's just as straightforward, so there's no stalemates there either, but it can't be abused for what's actually only half of a party to take over as though they were a majority when they're not.

[Niwashi]

Perhaps what we need for this case is an additional tool, one for setting up arbitrary votes. Basically one player decides to call a vote and types in a short message such as "'Yes' for big pulls, 'No' for small pulls" and then each player, including the one who initiated the vote see the dialog and get to vote. After the vote the party sees the results and should then follow the group's wishes (assuming a majority voted one way or the other). It could then even be set up with a check box that could make this function as a 'vote abandon' in the case the vote is perfectly split 50/50 (of course, if such an option is selected, the voting dialog should alert all players that a 50/50 split will result in the entire team abandoning the duty).

If people want to vote abandon when they're split on how to handle the run, they can do that already. A vote on something like whether you like big or small pulls should definitely NOT end with an abandon automatically, since not many people would leave just because it's big pulls when they like small ones or vice versa. There's a pretty big difference in asking how you want a run to go versus how you'd be willing to do it.

Taking your big/small pulls example again, if that vote goes 50/50 it means do medium sized pulls, picking up two or maybe three groups of mobs at a time rather than individually, but not pulling wall to wall through the whole dungeon either. Most such disagreements have a middle ground like that. There's no need for automatically eliminate the entire run just because people have different preferences. You'd never get any run done that way, as in a random group there will nearly always be different preferences about something.

[Seredeelfer]

Oh for the love of the 12... Mayhap we should focus less on reasons to kick someone and more on how to have fun in the random group for whom we chose to queue.

[Miste]

If set to a single language under Duty Finder, you shouldn't get a player from other region and such barriers could no longer be an excuse!...

Um...no that actually won't work. That isn't how the DF language system works.

Yes, when you queue for DF you can choose a language, but even if you just choose "E" for example for English it doesn't mean you won't get matched with other languages.

Here is why:

Example, I queue for DF and only pick "E" so the game will match me with other people who pick "E".

Problem is anyone can pick "E" even if they aren't English.

So I've had it happen where I got matched with a full party of 3 other players who were French even though I only picked "E", and it is because THEY picked "E" as well. Whether they actually knew English as well I don't know, they spoke to each other in French the whole time, but being Canadian I understand them somewhat anyway, but it was just Tam Tara normal so not like it was something that needed communication usually.

But yeah basically nothing stops people from picking languages that they don't actually understand, and I understand at that point it is their own fault for doing so, but people do that all the time... pick all languages just to try to speed up queue times.

Also to note Leveling Roulette ignores language settings.

Taken from patch notes for 4.05: "To further improve matching speeds for Duty Roulette: Leveling, Duty Finder language settings will now be ignored."
source: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...ac3297a0083b69

[Zarabeth]

People need to stop being ridiculous and just play the game. So what if someone wants to go faster or slower than you want to. Meet in the middle; slow speed up a bit fast slow down a bit. Kicking everyone you don't agree with is a waste of time. Kicking is supposed to be for afkers and jerks who deliberately try to screw up the dungeon for others. Stop using it for every little thing. In the op's case (assuming that's how it really went down) I'd have reported them and moved on. No need for a giant post. Just move on.

[Vahlnir]

It's implemented fine. If there's some sort of abuse, then it is a reportable offense. They take those very seriously from what I hear. That said, I've never seen it abused. There has been a couple "playstyle differences", but for the most part someone only gets the boot if they d/ced and haven't returned for some time. The only time I've vote kicked someone for playstyle differences was one time in Brayflox normal. Took a long time to get to the final boss, and we kept wiping repeatedly because the tank didn't know how to do anything but swing a sword. I lost count of the wipes, but at one point we were actually running out of time. Like, if they had been allowed to stay in the group for 1 or 2 more wipes, we seriously wouldn't have finished the dungeon. So, despite advice being given, and them not listening, I had them vote kicked and it was unanimous. New tank joined and we cleared right then and there. One and done. The system is in place for a reason, such as this little story I've shared. Or to remove party members who aren't coming back. And it works.

[Caitlinzulu]

You know there's a language setting that prevents that from happening entirely!...

If set to a single language under Duty Finder, you shouldn't get a player from other region and such barriers could no longer be an excuse!...

I know there are brain dead players in Eorzea whom just click whatever and don't care at all about what they do but I'm sure they would wonder why they found themselves in the prison in Limsa Lominsa all of a sudden, which should be the punishment for those vote kicking unfairly, so the GMs can explain to them why they are being banned from the game temporarily or permanently!...

You do know that option to set languages doesnt work. Its obvious you never played on a multilingual server, because even as a japanese player you can select the english language qeue to sign up and get matched with english player.I get regular french players in my groups although i never ever select to qeue up french language

[SigmaOZ]

That should count as one more penalty against the abusive players whom just want to join any party whether they understand the other members or not, GMs should then take that into account and if they (abusive players) fail to understand the language set by the user being dismissed, said offenders should be found liable for misuse and add to their corresponding punishment!...

I wish GMs took vote dismissing seriously but we don't get any proof that abusive players are actually punished, at the very least we can blacklist undesirable people now, regardless of their world!...