Is the vote kick system improperly implemented for how it's actually being used?

[Sylvina]

Because they are the target of the vote. No democracy allows you to vote for or against yourself.

Cough, US elections Cough.

[ffchampion]

Unless two party members strongly disagree, in which case "Bye tank".

Not very often someone will vote kick the tank as they may end up waiting quite a while for a new one

[Areic]

They should also lower the value of people que'ing together through DF, as two people together can boot someone for no good reason.

Me and my girlfriend were doing some leveling dungeons. The run had went very smooth, no one said anything. A few pulls before the last boss of the 69 dungeon the other two people in our party hit 70, some catgirl couple. Next thing I know, I was booted from the dungeon, according to my girlfriend they set up a kick and passed it with just those two, and left immediately afterwards.

Thats one big downfall of only 4 man parties and their vote kick system

[JunseiKei]

They should also lower the value of people que'ing together through DF, as two people together can boot someone for no good reason.

Me and my girlfriend were doing some leveling dungeons. The run had went very smooth, no one said anything. A few pulls before the last boss of the 69 dungeon the other two people in our party hit 70, some catgirl couple. Next thing I know, I was booted from the dungeon, according to my girlfriend they set up a kick and passed it with just those two, and left immediately afterwards.

Thats one big downfall of only 4 man parties and their vote kick system

See, I'd have reported that as they initiated the kick to leave the dungeon immediately after leveling, avoiding the penalty. That's one of those things that should really be taken as a case-by-case abuse of vote kicking. Especially with how close you said you were near the end of the dungeon. They could have just as easily asked to be kicked and been replaced.

[Areic]

See, I'd have reported that as they initiated the kick to leave the dungeon immediately after leveling, avoiding the penalty. That's one of those things that should really be taken as a case-by-case abuse of vote kicking. Especially with how close you said you were near the end of the dungeon. They could have just as easily asked to be kicked and been replaced.

Oh trust me, we reported the heck out of that. I don't mind if you want to be kicked to avoid a timer or something but douche moves like that are a pain.

[Xlantaa]

Yes it is, like any other MMO. But, there is no other way to implement it. How you detect is a fair kick or a abusive kick? You put moderators to check every single kick in their context to determine if it is fair or not? This is one of the thing that rely on the community. If the community is shit, will be used in the wrong way. So, I think make a better community is what solves the problem. But that is a hard path.

[demonette]

I think the only weird thing is that it counts the vote of the accuser but not the accused. Since logically the accuser/initiator will always be a 'yes' (since why else would you start it?), and the accused is assumed to be against it, then neither should be counted. This way it requires a majority rather than half.

[Risvertasashi]

I'm pretty critical of the system but it's been this way for years now, and the only new GM commentary is weird edge cases.

But the long story short, you can kick for nearly any reason that isn't specifically a "grief tactic" or harassment (not even limited to "differing playstyles"). And it's really difficult to prove a violation of the latter as they have to pretty much self incriminate.

But, yes. If you're worried someone else might initiate a kick, you're encouraged to initiate first. As removing someone's voting ability guarantees you success if you have a friend with you, but the same applies to them if they start the vote first.

(In general, voting right before last boss is pretty scummy/griefy, but so it goes).

[Zojha]

Since logically the accuser/initiator will always be a 'yes' (since why else would you start it?), and the accused is assumed to be against it, then neither should be counted. This way it requires a majority rather than half.

That still doesn't work, because of the two votes left, if one votes for and the other against, it's still essentially a 2:2 tie (broken down to a 1:1 tie).

In any even numbered group, there can be ties that can not be fairly resolved because there is an equal number of people on both sides. The only way to break that tie in a fair way is to get yourself an additional, independent vote to tip the scales in either direction or convince someone to switch sides.

It's just what it is.

[SigmaOZ]

The current "Vote" system is flawed and is far from being fair!...

Do you know what happens when two members of the same FC or two friends of a same world join a light party together!?... They immediately have the voting majority and become a real threat to the remaining party members if they decide to take the course of the duty in a given way!...

For instance, I was kicked from a duty some nights ago because tank and healer were playing together and I dared to tell them they were doing a poor job after several wipes throughout the dungeon and many more in front of the final boss, the healer even excused himself by saying all of his gear was broken, I initiated a vote dismiss against the tank but it was rejected and then I was dismissed in revenge and all because they had the voting majority, that proves a single character is defenseless when two or three scheme jointly!...

My solution to prevent abusing of the vote system is to force players to write a short report explaining the reasons on which they decide to dismiss someone, said report should then be seen by all party members, including the one to be dismissed, after that the voting would take place and if the majority agrees one player should be dismissed!...

Another way would be to have the ability to invoke a GM inside the duty before the voting could take place so the authorities would decide what is fair and whom should be dismissed!...

I would seriously doubt of anyone opposing to such measures in order to prevent abuses, for obvious reasons!...