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    Quote Originally Posted by Myrhn View Post
    U cant just take the healer not dpsing for consideration. U have to take the other dps and party make up. If wanna have a real comparison do 2 of the same dungeon with the same ppl, one with healer dps and another with healer not dps. Same ppl, same gear, same party make up and then tell the difference
    Have to agree with this, you can't just take two completely different parties and assume the healer DPS alone made the difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elamys View Post
    Have to agree with this, you can't just take two completely different parties and assume the healer DPS alone made the difference.
    Not necessarily true actually...if you have a special faerie that tells you the average damage etc...cough then you can easily see if the DPS are doing around the same amount as the previous run etc. So you don't necessarily need to run with the exact same people. The combination of DPS can be the close to the same even with different people and if you have that special faerie you can see the % contribution.
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    Last edited by Miste; 09-02-2017 at 02:41 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miste View Post
    Not necessarily true actually...if you have a special faerie that tells you the average damage etc...cough then you can easily see if the DPS are doing around the same amount as the previous run etc. So you don't necessarily need to run with the exact same people. The combination of DPS can be the close to the same even with different people and if you have that special faerie you can see the % contribution.
    Yes, but we don't know if this person has that special fairy ( ;D ) what the comps were, etc. A blanket statement of "well in one run I DPSed and in the other run I didn't so it was the healer DPS that made the difference" tells us basically nothing. Certainly SOME of the time saved was because of healer DPS, but how MUCH of it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    Fortunately, I have an example where the only change in party comp was the tank. The difference? Over fifteen minutes because one tank pulled everything while the other did one pack at a time. While not a healer DPS example, it works to show you aren't just saving 1-2 minutes but several.
    This is really dependent on comp in my experience. If you have 2 DPS with terrible AoE then you're probably actually losing time as opposed to saving it by making big pulls.
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    cerise leclaire
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elamys View Post
    This is really dependent on comp in my experience. If you have 2 DPS with terrible AoE then you're probably actually losing time as opposed to saving it by making big pulls.
    While this is an issue in leveling content, every class 60+ has potent AOE moves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elamys View Post
    Have to agree with this, you can't just take two completely different parties and assume the healer DPS alone made the difference.
    Fortunately, I have an example where the only change in party comp was the tank. The difference? Over fifteen minutes because one tank pulled everything while the other did one pack at a time. While not a healer DPS example, it works to show you aren't just saving 1-2 minutes but several.
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