Why Eliminate Guild Marks?

[Physic]

You're implying that he's getting rid of guild marks because he thinks that having class quests is a bad idea, by the intermediary of "people won't do class quests if there's no rewards."

I think there are too many unquestioned assumptions here for this inference to be valid! I mean, I get your basic point and agree to an extent with your concerns, I just think you're putting words ("I want to get rid of guild quests") into Yoshida's mouth.

Blaise - do you have any design ideas as to what could fill in the currently wasted potential that'd be worth the premium-cost dev time available before "once 2.0 is stable"? I know /I/ don't, other than ambiguously "moar storyline plz", but I'm legitimately interested in other peoples' design suggestions.

by minimalizing the guilds as a progression tool, they become less valuable. Essentially, what was once a thing that you did to progress, now becomes a side thing that you may never have to do.

You should imo, DEFINATELY lock some content to some type of quests rewards, not only do you make the quests more valuable, you make sure people see and experience parts of the game.

look at zilart in ffxi, people may have loved it, but they did it to get to sea, people talk about cop, but many people didnt even try till it gave sea access.

You basically have to have to diffrentiate the important quests by their incentives. what about the class quests will have a similar incentive (do these quests, or have less cool and useful abilities)

now when you look at it in light of the fact he doesnt seem to be against using quests as prereqs (see tying chocobos to grand company quests, and talk of job progression being quest linked) It seems he knows that important quests need to give great reward to matter, so if he makes them not matter, then he knows he is killing them.

Now he hasnt said everything, maybe he has a plan for them, but it has to be more than maybe you can gil for them if he wants them to matter at all.

[Kiote]

Why does he think quests is a good idea for jobs, but not classes? i dunno.

Welcome to the Enix generation.. It's not about whats good, it about what appeals to mindlessness. More people trying less = More money for less work. It's just to bad they can't see the candle burning at both ends..

[Synthesis]

They can go, bb Guild marks. You actually just stack these for nothing.

[Kiote]

They can go, bb Guild marks. You actually just stack these for nothing.

Giving something a greater purpose is always a better design decision than ripping it out entirely..

[Llewelyn]

Considering I've spent the past few days grinding guild marks on a job I didn't really want to level just to get the higher-tier guild mark items to use on my other classes... this disappoints me thoroughly.

I like the idea of guild marks. If anything, I would have expanded the guild mark system, rather than getting rid of it. Possibly allowing a guild mark "tree" where you have to pick a path, and can't get everything, and more guild mark things to buy.

[Teakwood]

Almost certainly most of the 'paths' would be Considered Useless by the playerbase and anybody who chose them would be mechanically ineffective and then there'd be a fustercluck concerning how to undo guild mark purchases and etc. etc..

...that said, I would willingly grind Guild Marks rather than company seals in order to get XP scrolls. <_<;

[Kiote]

So I take it no one has learned why Yoshida thought removing this system was a good idea? I mean how much more of what little class advancement and depth are we going to lose?

I really just cannot comprehend how he could think removing this is a good idea...

[Mishakai]

Well, I'm a bit interested to see what happens in this department, but like others have said I have a lot of faith in Yoshi. At this point, I'm kinda happy to hop on my surfboard and ride the waves to 2.0.

[Kiote]

Well, I'm a bit interested to see what happens in this department, but like others have said I have a lot of faith in Yoshi. At this point, I'm kinda happy to hop on my surfboard and ride the waves to 2.0.

I would be a whole lot more trusting if there was any logical reason expressed for doing it.. I mean, there is literally nothing wrong with this system..

[Jennestia]

Is it really customization? Can't speak for others, but I always get them all anyway, and have marks to spare.

It's definitely not customization for all intents and purposes since some skills are definitely worth getting, while people seem to detest the idea of grinding, they forgot that all the time they spent getting Guild Marks for traits and skills is indeed a grind and was indeed meant to artificially extend your playtime, which people seem to hate MMOs doing.