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    Player Dualgunner's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penthea View Post
    Lol so your logic is "if it doesn't happen in this game then it doesn't happen!" Oh my sweet summer child, how I envy your optimism.
    "Oh my sweet summer child"? Lol

    Btw my logic is "without concrete evidence we can't say one way or another, and almost nobody anti parser is bringing anything more than anecdotes and assumptions."

    Maybe you should try some optimism. It's better than all the cynical self hatred that permeates social media and modern western culture. Or you can keep being edgy Madame "One Feature Destroys Gaming Communities" without an ounce of concrete proof. Your logic seems to be "if it happened to me and a few randies on the internet it must be the standard".

    I also love the implication that implementing a parser is as much effort as designing a whole new dungeon. Though considering most are copypasta trash boss trash boss trash boss...maybe it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualgunner View Post
    I also love the implication that implementing a parser is as much effort as designing a whole new dungeon. Though considering most are copypasta trash boss trash boss trash boss...maybe it is.
    I said I was done here but I think it might be useful for you to know this:

    ACT is very limited. You cannot get very detailed parsing results from it due to the nature of how it gets its information from the game (information that is designed to not be easily obtainable by third party software) and the limited information in the combat log. Compared to the information available with WoW parsers (as well as ease of use), ACT is pretty terrible.

    WoW was intentionally created with the option for players to easily use third party add-ons, so as a result almost everything that happens in the game can be easily tracked and the combat log is very detailed. FFXIV was obviously not created with third party software in mind and the combat log doesn't display absolutely everything that happens, but instead what SE decided players should know.

    If SE introduce an in-game parser they would have to increase what the combat log tracks, as well as create a system that feeds this information into a ui. Anyone playing XIV for long enough knows many relics of 1.0 remain and for all we know one of those could be something that makes introducing an in-game parser very difficult or even impossible (an argument often used for limited housing plots). Furthermore it would take a very long time to develop something as detailed as what you can get with WoW. You literally can upload logs from WoW and get detail right down to where players were standing in the fight.

    So yea introducing a parser could potentially be very complicated unless it is extremely basic. But then threads like this would get replaced by other threads asking for more detailed logs.

    And now I'm done! Have fun everyone
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    Last edited by Penthea; 08-13-2017 at 10:31 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualgunner View Post
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    Pro-parsers bring anecdotes and assumptions. Anti-parsers bring anecdotes and assumptions. Because fundamentally neither can bring any evidence to the table.

    Every time anti-parsers bring up community damage which has been felt in other MMOs the pro-parsers bring up the feel in this game... which is anti-parser by design. "It does not happen here so its ok to bring in parsers". Of course it does not happen here, when barely anyone outside of world first raiders uses them. Compared to the other games that anti-parsers draw on where nearly everyone is told to install a parser, and the very problems they bring up become prevalent issues to the point the only way to have any decent community is to literally try your best to isolate off in a guild and only do guild member runs. Building that safe space wall against a terrible community. Which you can just look at WoW, one of the big examples. Overall its a terrible community of elitists and jerks that parse everything, even content that does not "need" it, and use said parses as an excuse and validation to attack others. Then you have the smaller guilds where people get together and it seems like the community is not so bad, because all they ever do is play together in their small tight community and basically cease paying attention to all the others around them.
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