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  1. #121
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    Remedi's Avatar
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    Remedi Maxwell
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    Goldsmith Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
    dummies tell nothing but that you reach the right gear lvl I never did a12s I didnt even consider tryin to raid until now , and I did the dummy on my pali and warrior , and I wasnt clearing a12s cause I didnt know the fight tells you nothing at all. Now if we had simulators and a dummy now that would be a different thing if we had actual mechanics going on while we used the training dummy them Id say they actually where credible. But just an sss dummy is nothing more than a dummy with a health bard doesnt account for death nor mechanics which is the thing that happens in harder content.
    You wanted to know how much diying removes of your dmg, you can just smack a dummy for a while with and without weakness and see how much less you do, you don't need parses to tell you thatm also everyone else already told you that you can actually test rotations with sss.
    That said you really don't even need a parser to get a fight done, since fight are scripted you can actually plan already what to do in every moment of a fight

    edit: btw you can actually guess if you are right on time with the dps by watching bosses % at precise moments of the fight,
    Now don't misunderstand me I'm not saying that parsers are useless, I'm saying that ppl need to understand how to use them and how to not abuse them which I'm afraid I'm not sure the community really is ready for
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    Last edited by Remedi; 08-09-2017 at 02:54 AM.

  2. #122
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    Liza Sol
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    Culinarian Lv 70
    Simple solution: You find a good static on same level as you and not expecting any carry from anyone. If it's pugs and some of them can't hold the certain % of their own damage, then you kick them. Nobody here is obligated to carry anyone, much as nobody here has the right to do the raid, just because you sub doesn't mean you deserve the golden platter.
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  3. #123
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    bswpayton's Avatar
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    Nic Pay
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    Exodus
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by akaneakki View Post
    Simple solution: You .
    That statement u just made is laughable, if probably the most well known streamer of this game mr happy is pugging then obviously having a static and keeping one isn't the easiest thing to do. What else would u rather people do unsync runs all day of old primal and raids all day instead? Cause nobodies running those sync, or should we just run dungeons just because , there's a 450 cap u can cap in like two days. We have no 24 man's once u clear the primals unless u like rng no reason to do those either. So yes we have about six fights to do after we cap tomes so I don't follow ur logic at all
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  4. #124
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    technole's Avatar
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    Thea Sitori
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    Gilgamesh
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    Scholar Lv 72
    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
    That statement u just made is laughable, if probably the most well known streamer of this game mr happy is pugging then obviously having a static and keeping one isn't the easiest thing to do.
    In all fairness, MrHappy had a static but they broke up several weeks before Stormblood. That does happen, sometimes you just can't pick up the pieces and find another one that quickly which works with your schedule.

    Still, the pug life isn't all that great. Whereas with a full static you can parse all you want with your group, be competitive with each other and what not without the fear of some retaliation anywhere.
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  5. #125
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    Kacho_Nacho's Avatar
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    Kacho Nacho
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    Coeurl
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    White Mage Lv 99
    Okay... I keep reading people responding to my comments by saying that their static has a dragoon. I meant that players would not want to play one, if parsers were in the game, because they would want to play the jobs which do the highest dps.

    Of course, there will always be outliers, like me, why choose to play a job because they like it. However, my experiences with MMO sheeple show a big chunk of players only want to play number one on the parsers. In WoW, that was top spec/top build. IN FFXIV, that would translate to top job/top role picks.

    Furthermore, I don't need to be in a top raider to comment on an issue which will affect all levels of play. So, please don't play the "You Must Be This Experienced To Comment" card. It's exclusionary and reflects badly on you.

    I'm against parsers. I've explained why. But, I realize that the decision is up to Square Enix and all each of us can do is to offer feedback on the issue.
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  6. #126
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    Miste Vaer
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    Excalibur
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho View Post
    Okay... I keep reading people responding to my comments by saying that their static has a dragoon. I meant that players would not want to play one, if parsers were in the game, because they would want to play the jobs which do the highest dps.

    Of course, there will always be outliers, like me, why choose to play a job because they like it. However, my experiences with MMO sheeple show a big chunk of players only want to play number one on the parsers.
    Well I do apologize if I misunderstood, but this reason is also kind of strange to be honest.

    You are making a lot of assumptions here about other players that you cannot possibly know....unless you interviewed everyone somehow?

    You can't just generalize and throw everyone into one basket and pretend like you are part of such a small subset of players who actually plays a job because they like it. Most of the people I know on FFXIV play the job they like to play and I know quite a handful of people...so if this really was such an outlier I feel like I should have seen more people playing a job simply because its numbers were high. Either way neither of us can say one way or the other because we have no evidence beyond our own experiences.

    Also parsers technically already exist (for PC users anyway)...yet I see lots of statics with DRG in them and also lots of people still playing DRG.

    Finally, why does it affect you if someone else decides to play a job due to numbers? I mean...they aren't you and they made a choice for themselves. How others choose what job they will play is sort of not anyone elses business. Everyone can choose a job for whatever reasons they want to whether it be because they like how it plays, because its DPS is high, because they simply like the gear designs that job gets, or heck maybe I play RDM simply because I like to fly backwards with Displacement and no other reason whatsoever...I mean who knows?

    Everyone is different and we all make our own choices however we wish. Just because not everyone might choose a job for themselves the exact same way you do doesn't mean they are just sheeple or somehow doing something wrong...they have their own opinions and they can play whatever job they want for whatever reasons they want. If high numbers is fun to them then it is fun to them...not everyone has fun the same way as everyone else.

    This is why it is fine if you are against parsers, you don't think they are fun and that is your opinion no problem. My responses to you are mostly due to the assumptions and generalizations you have been making. It just doesn't explain your reasoning very well since you are making claims that you don't have any facts to back up and it just uses a large paint brush on everyone that isn't you. You have to try to think outside yourself to how others may think differently than you.
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  7. #127
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    CosmicKirby's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH View Post
    If you have to rely on a third party tool to clear content, you're probably not ready to tackle said content.
    This is easily the hottest take and most absurd statement I've seen on these forums. Could you make it any more obvious that you don't know what you're talking about?

    Anyone who uses hardware for their headset, keyboard, mouse, or a voice program to talk to their raid mates clearly, also, are 'probably not ready to tackle said content.'
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  8. #128
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    Eldred Draconis
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    Leviathan
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    A parser, while nice, is not necessary to working out a good enough rotation to tackle any content in this game. If any player needs a parser to do good DPS / HPS, the problem lies with the player.

    I'm not anti-parser by any stretch (played many games and seen their value) but I don't miss the DPS linkers who thinks every problem can be solved with more DPS. Makes for a more enjoyable social experience than anything.

    This whole discussion is moot, anyway. No parser is coming, ever.
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  9. #129
    Player Snow_Princess's Avatar
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    Princess Sakura
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    Quote Originally Posted by CosmicKirby View Post
    This is easily the hottest take and most absurd statement I've seen on these forums. Could you make it any more obvious that you don't know what you're talking about?

    Anyone who uses hardware for their headset, keyboard, mouse, or a voice program to talk to their raid mates clearly, also, are 'probably not ready to tackle said content.'
    They do that a lot actually...

    anyways I am interested in the main question. Why does SE have these DPS checks, but no parsers? They are basically suggesting you need to know your rotations, and know how to maximize or don't clear.
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  10. #130
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    Mia Montblanc
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    Sargatanas
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow_Princess View Post
    They do that a lot actually...
    Yeah man, daily roulettes are rough!

    Nearly every single one of their posts is woefully uninformed or just ridiculous in its incorrectness.

    They are either willfully ignorant (and have no intention of trying to remedy the same) or are a troll.
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