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  1. #151
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    TankHunter678's Avatar
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    Selena Zensh
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    Siren
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    Machinist Lv 80
    Does AST even have any cards worth expanding anymore? No matter how I look at it expanding Balance is going to be worthless compared to Enhancing it a throwing it on a SAM. Same with Spear and Arrow. Simply because a 5% buff may as well be a food buff and it does not feel like it has an impact (which is why it was buffed in the first place).

    Oh and Miste, I see the same that you see on Primal on Aether DC.
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  2. #152
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    Sneakaboo's Avatar
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    Nishka Ciel
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    Omega
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    They basically nerfed the best card ,while leaving the majority of the other cards borderline useless.
    You don't have more choice, balance will remain the best card in most situations.
    If anything this just makes AST less strong, possibly less desired.

    Besides how can people even argue when ever a healing class is too strong or not, even more so why do they care?
    The game doesn't even officially support a parser.
    In fact this community has been so much against parser that I honestly don't understand the complaints about balance.

    As for the devs, well it doesn't take rocket science to understand that the old balance was overpowered.
    Though if you nerf what is strong, than buff what is weak.
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  3. #153
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    Rhinos's Avatar
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    Rhinos Sandrock
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    Gilgamesh
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyn View Post
    Reality check, spear is still garbage. +10% chance to crit is nowhere near +10% damage. Crit multiplier is 1.4x now. So it is just above 0.4x (due to crit dmg scaling) of the new balance. 0.2x of the old balance. It should have been 20% if it was supposed to be competetive. That way it would have been 0.8% of the new 10% balance, and won't pass it even at the end of the raid tier. Or 15% if it was supposed to be around 0.6x of the new balance.
    And that's not even counting spears shorter 20 sec duration. Adding that to the equation, the nerfed balance is more than 3 times as potent spear 2.0 in most circumstances. While I like the new spear effect and I think it's okay for balance to be stronger, spear's duration really should be bumped up to 30 seconds.
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  4. #154
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    VanilleFang's Avatar
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    Estellise Valesti
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    Adamantoise
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    White Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Sneakaboo View Post
    As for the devs, well it doesn't take rocket science to understand that the old balance was overpowered.
    Though if you nerf what is strong, than buff what is weak.
    They did? They changed Spear to actually be viable... how is that NOT a buff?

    Are we in some kind of Twilight Zone?
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  5. #155
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    Rivxkobe's Avatar
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    Carmine Altair
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    Zalera
    Main Class
    Samurai Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Sneakaboo View Post
    Though if you nerf what is strong, than buff what is weak.
    What is even "weak" on AST? The only thing that was was Spear and that's been buffed so...
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  6. #156
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    Enla's Avatar
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    Crushing Fatigue
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    Balmung
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    Scholar Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Rivxkobe View Post
    What is even "weak" on AST? The only thing that was was Spear and that's been buffed so...
    This, at best some of the cards are pretty situational but even then until this point the only bad part of AST was the Spear card and the fact that most people would constant Redraw and pray to RNGesus that they'd get the Balance. AST legitimately needs no buffs at this point because even with them nerfing Balance back to it's 3.0 days it's still one of, if not THE best ability in the game.
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  7. #157
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    MintnHoney's Avatar
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    Aylin Bielawska
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    Adamantoise
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Rivxkobe View Post
    What is even "weak" on AST? The only thing that was was Spear and that's been buffed so...
    Personal damage output and innate MP recovery are two weaknesses that immediately come to mind, especially in comparison with the other two healers.
    And yes, this is because we have a chance to put various beneficial effects on the field.
    "Balance."
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  8. #158
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    Pomo's Avatar
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    Lala Cristo
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by MagicalLoli View Post
    The Balance (Single Target) Increase to damage dealt reduced from 20% to 10%.

    The Balance (Area of Effect) Increase to damage dealt reduced from 10% to 5%

    However, spear now gives 10%/5% crit~

    Discuss!
    Good. Buffing balance was the lazy option when Astros were asking for Spear to be buffed. I would have preferred to have the cd reduction work on skills already on cd, but perhaps the crit buff will be even better.

    I'll be even happier if we can get a pre-50 aoe. Syncing down below 52 still sucks as Ast and it's been an issue since HW.
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    Last edited by Pomo; 07-19-2017 at 12:24 PM. Reason: length

  9. #159
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    Elamys's Avatar
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    Song Sparrow
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    Balmung
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    Goldsmith Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Yorumi View Post
    On the one hand I like meaningful choices, on the other wow is the ast community not the worst group of players in ff14?
    This is a really pointless comment to make. AST players are not "the worst community in ff14" any more than the constant complaining and insulting from WHM/SCH players. In any job is a group of people who are just in general awful people to be around and insulting a full class of people for the job they play solves literally nothing.
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    cerise leclaire
    (bad omnicrafter & terrible astrologian)

  10. #160
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    Exiled_Tonberry's Avatar
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    Sharl Llyntine
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    Jenova
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    White Mage Lv 100
    You'd think not a single person in this thread play AST or something. For them to call a 5% AOE 30/40s damage buff "useless"....Holy shit.

    Not to mention Balance is no longer to only card that matters. Crit is amazing. Arrow has always been just below Balance. If anything, you should have MORE buff uptime rather than discarding every card for balance fishing.

    Think It this way. Remember every Spear and Arrow you tossed because you'd rather use Balance? Well now you can use them. Not only are you getting more buff uptime in general, but you're having fun with the card system again. Unless you found fishing for Balance fun....I guess?
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