Balance was balanced

[BloodRubyXII]

Because of deployed adlo and crit potential.

If you Crit* and DT is on a relatively long CD so often for aoe shielding you find yourself falling back on (the expensive) Succor and praying for a crit, as you have no follow up other than the recently buffed indom if we don't include eos hots.

[SnugglesD]

If you Crit*

That's what the word potential means...

When you're balancing jobs, you don't just measure one ability versus another. You have to keep the entire kit in mind over the course of a whole fight. So no, you don't just get to discount deployment tactics because the cool down is longer and you don't get to discount crit!lo or crit succor just because it's RNG. Especially when you're comparing it to ast, which is the king of RNG. Balancing is all about the big picture, not pointing out tiny specific details.

[Yorumi]

That's what the word potential means...

When you're balancing jobs, you don't just measure one ability versus another. You have to keep the entire kit in mind over the course of a whole fight. So no, you don't just get to discount deployment tactics because the cool down is longer and you don't get to discount crit!lo or crit succor just because it's RNG. Especially when you're comparing it to ast, which is the king of RNG. Balancing is all about the big picture, not pointing out tiny specific details.

Physick = benefic before sect bonus so weaker than benefic.
helios, no sch equivellent.
Essential Dignity -> Lustrate.
Benefic II, no sch equivellent
Asp. Benefic, bigger shield than adlo, less mp, almost as big as a crit adlo.
Asp. Helios -> succor, much more powerful than succor, shield is bigger than a deployed adlo
CU -> Sacred soil, CU wins by a mile
Earthly Star -> Indom, bigger heal if not set up, almost double indom's heal if allowed to set up, also does aoe damage.
Lady card, no sch equivellent

Yeah look at the full kit, AST are so hurting for heals what ever will they do.

[SnugglesD]

Physick = benefic before sect bonus so weaker than benefic.
helios, no sch equivellent.
Essential Dignity -> Lustrate.
Benefic II, no sch equivellent
Asp. Benefic, bigger shield than adlo, less mp, almost as big as a crit adlo.
Asp. Helios -> succor, much more powerful than succor, shield is bigger than a deployed adlo
CU -> Sacred soil, CU wins by a mile
Earthly Star -> Indom, bigger heal if not set up, almost double indom's heal if allowed to set up, also does aoe damage.
Lady card, no sch equivellent

Yeah look at the full kit, AST are so hurting for heals what ever will they do.

1. That's not either jobs full kit.

2. Be pedantic all you want, but no one is saying ast is hurting for heals. I'm saying sch isn't hurting as much as people are crying about and the balance between shields has way more to consider than just comparing non-crit potential of just 2 abilities in a vacuum.

[Yorumi]

1. That's not either jobs full kit.

2. Be pedantic all you want, but no one is saying ast is hurting for heals. I'm saying sch isn't hurting as much as people are crying about and the balance between shields has way more to consider than just comparing non-crit potential of just 2 abilities in a vacuum.

No I'm not being pedantic in the least, I just went through the heals of each class and showed how other than lustrate sch comes up short in every single comparison you can imagine. I am sick of all the AST on this board pretending like there is no legitimate complaint against a massively OP class that is taking identities of the other healers with it. A class that no one would ever dream of dropping from a raid party, and the other two healers only get spots out of pity from devs who had to force them into parties. It's as though people are required to put on a blindfold to play AST. If anyone is not looking at the full picture it is the AST.

It is YOU who needs to look at the full picture. You're right that's not the AST's full kit, I didn't include the freaken card buffs. AST wins without their card buffs, and they have those just to add insult to injury on the other healers.

[paoweeotter]

No I'm not being pedantic in the least, I just went through the heals of each class and showed how other than lustrate sch comes up short in every single comparison you can imagine. I am sick of all the AST on this board pretending...


. A class that no one would ever dream of dropping from a aid party rs.

one of the top world prog raiding FC doesn't even use an AST for neo exdeath.

and they have a MCH and was able to get past the INTENSE first phase DPS check.

what are you talking about?

[Starflake]

one of the top world prog raiding FC doesn't even use an AST for neo exdeath.

and they have a MCH and was able to get past the INTENSE first phase DPS check.

what are you talking about?

One of the best raiding teams switched Scholar out with Astro as well. Your argument is bad and you should feel bad. What world first prog use does not reflect in any shape or form the state of the healers in a detailed sense. What does it even mean that MCH in a composition allowed it to get past an intense DPS check? Does it somehow change that BRD still does more damage and more utility? Like Jesus Christ, don't you people THINK before you argue?

[Riyshn]

One of the best raiding teams switched Scholar out with Astro as well. Your argument is bad and you should feel bad. What world first prog use does not reflect in any shape or form the state of the healers in a detailed sense. What does it even mean that MCH in a composition allowed it to get past an intense DPS check? Does it somehow change that BRD still does more damage and more utility? Like Jesus Christ, don't you people THINK before you argue?

It says that three of the top groups in the world are comfortable entering the world first race with all 3 possible healer combinations, which implies that there really isn't such a huge gap between them anymore. Each serves a different purpose.

And while BRD currently has higher overall DPS than MCH, MCH does burst higher, between Wildfire and the overheat mechanic, which is usually what you want for mechanics that are a DPS check.

[Alistaire]

I don't know if it's been said, but I suspect they did feel balance was balanced, but balance + new/improved spear wouldn't be.

[Rawrz]

I don't know if it's been said, but I suspect they did feel balance was balanced, but balance + new/improved spear wouldn't be.

From an fflog perspective it is. By wounding balance you made the classes that were being fed balances 24/7 by 5 to 10% do less damage, thus shrinking the upper extreme. Spear cant be stacked with the balance, so you can't get the benefits together.

Whether ast can provide, on average higher dps boost uptime to average out to be better than balance is probably impossible. Every old balance was worth 2 new balances. Current spear is worth less than a balance unless its for healing.