Balance was balanced

[Deceptistar]

Hm. Reading over all this I wonder if some people forget the 5-10% crit is merely a proc chance as opposed to a 100% (other)status as it was before.
Basically you may not even get a crit proc in that 30sec if your unlucky, even less so if the ast feels benevolent enough to spread the effects aoe.

[Anastacy]

Hm. Reading over all this I wonder if some people forget the 5-10% crit is merely a proc chance as opposed to a 100% (other)status as it was before.
Basically you may not even get a crit proc in that 30sec if your unlucky, even less so if the ast feels benevolent enough to spread the effects aoe.

Spear lasts 20 seconds, according to patch notes. Is it different in-game?

[Yorumi]

Hm. Reading over all this I wonder if some people forget the 5-10% crit is merely a proc chance as opposed to a 100% (other)status as it was before.
Basically you may not even get a crit proc in that 30sec if your unlucky, even less so if the ast feels benevolent enough to spread the effects aoe.

The problem is not one single thing looked at in a vacuum. A slight crit buff is not amazing in and of itself. The problem is AST was already tune well above the other healers. Ask yourself this, is there any reason at all to ever make a party without an AST? The answer is of course no, never. Asking the same question of whm or sch and the answer would become "well sch probably provides some more utility so it's better than whm but it's not that big of a deal." The is the problem, AST is clearly OP. Now we ask another question, what is stopping all raid comps from being AST/AST and ignoring the other healers entirely? There are only two reasons and both are entirely arbitrary. The first is that now the game just flat out disallows, and the second is card buffs not stacking. Basically AST is so OP they had to make completely arbitrary rules to get the playerbase to even use another healing job.

That is SE figuratively saying "we have failed so spectacularly at game balance we must force comps on the players just so that some jobs get any use at all." Do you understand now why people are so upset?

[Adelaide3]

Because balance offered such a significant damage boost, I feel like Astrologians were pigeon holed into using just that one card.

I personally like this change, not only because Balance was a little bit over tuned but because Arrow is the card best suited for my job, Ninja. The dps gains I get from Arrow are amazing because auto attacks build the resource meter faster and the increased attack speed makes my rotation flow alot more smoothly.

Definitately a good thing that Ninjas can now receive their appropriate buff.

[Reilyn]

The problem is not one single thing looked at in a vacuum. A slight crit buff is not amazing in and of itself. The problem is AST was already tune well above the other healers. Ask yourself this, is there any reason at all to ever make a party without an AST? The answer is of course no, never. Asking the same question of whm or sch and the answer would become "well sch probably provides some more utility so it's better than whm but it's not that big of a deal." The is the problem, AST is clearly OP. Now we ask another question, what is stopping all raid comps from being AST/AST and ignoring the other healers entirely? There are only two reasons and both are entirely arbitrary. The first is that now the game just flat out disallows, and the second is card buffs not stacking. Basically AST is so OP they had to make completely arbitrary rules to get the playerbase to even use another healing job.

That is SE figuratively saying "we have failed so spectacularly at game balance we must force comps on the players just so that some jobs get any use at all." Do you understand now why people are so upset?

I couldnt phrase my beef with the imposed job limitation better myself.

The card stacking limitation was still very possible to work around with communication too, and of course SE knew it.

It indeed basically looked like "in case of failure to balance multi-NIN, or AST/AST, impose limits" to me.

I'd argue if they had any faith in their own balancing act, they would not have done this, but they did it, so...

It was indeed a depressing moment of self realization when I caught myself thinking "no matter how stupid AST gets, at least one other healer will be relevant because of this limitation!"... yeah... for all the wrong reasons.

[Averax]

People still arguing that AST is OP?

The problem with AST is that it's not their problem, the other two jobs' utilities are nonexistent or just not worth considering over. AST Every single AST card could be a 1% buff when expanded, and they'd still be considered over SCH and WHM because it's better than what the other two could do.

The problem is not that AST is overpowered at all, it's that the other two jobs are lacking something to set them apart and make them worth considering over AST. AST is the utility healer. Scholar has some, and WHM has none.

They wanted all healers to be able to have substantial healing on their own, and they do, WHM more so than others, especially since the plenary indulgence change, however there are no fights tuned to where WHMs extra healing is necessary.

The only way people would choose a WHM in savage content as they are, is if they were strong enough on their own to not need another healer.

Scholar would receive more love themselves if their utility was either on a shorter cooldown or more potent.

TL;DR: AST is fine now, work on the other two.

[Rivxkobe]

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You read it here folks. Being the most useful, most sought after, and the one healer that has a 100% of Always being accepted, and part of, a group doesn't make it OP. How? Because it's balanced, the other two healers are just underpowered compared to it, that doesn't make it overpowered. Somehow.

Ugh. Seriously?

[Deceptistar]

Because balance offered such a significant damage boost, I feel like Astrologians were pigeon holed into using just that one card.

I personally like this change, not only because Balance was a little bit over tuned but because Arrow is the card best suited for my job, Ninja. The dps gains I get from Arrow are amazing because auto attacks build the resource meter faster and the increased attack speed makes my rotation flow alot more smoothly.

Definitately a good thing that Ninjas can now receive their appropriate buff.

Odds are you won't be the one on priority receiving it >,> unless it's that 5% (which if that's all great you might as well eat meals 5% as most seem to skip eating or melding)

[Yorumi]

The problem is not that AST is overpowered at all, it's that the other two jobs are lacking something to set them apart and make them worth considering over AST. AST is the utility healer. Scholar has some, and WHM has none.

this is debatable but doesn't much matter. The reason you're seeing this is because AST is the one target, and SE's attitude toward AST has demonstrated that they have absolutely no intention of ever balancing healers. As a result player's frustrations are boiling over. The solution is so incredibly simple there is no excuse for SE to not have implemented it without willful intention to withhold it.

[Miste]

You read it here folks. Being the most useful, most sought after, and the one healer that has a 100% of Always being accepted, and part of, a group doesn't make it OP. How? Because it's balanced, the other two healers are just underpowered compared to it, that doesn't make it overpowered. Somehow.

Ugh. Seriously?

This one hosted by a WHM so they wanted either SCH or AST to not stack another WHM.





^ Seems like all healers are sought after and wanted.

Keep in mind also these PFs were all BEFORE the patch notes from last night revealing AST balance nerfs. They were screenshotted last week.

I don't get why people seem to think that WHM or SCH are not wanted. Those screenshots are only taken just in one evening also within 10-20 mins of checking PFs here and there, plenty more if I kept checking.

Sure some groups might block one of the healers out just like some groups might refuse to take a specific DPS for reasons. It is their group so they can make the decision, but even so obviously there are MANY other groups to choose from if one group gives you crap for just not being an AST.

Please stop acting like groups are fully ostracizing any healer who isn't an AST please. It is plainly not true. Primal DC seems to be totally accepting of all 3 healers.