Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[simiii]

Angered has already downed O3S. Healer Composition = WHM/AST

That would be because ast can't go nocturnal with a sch.
Gota build comps around the ast.but now I can pretty much always keep dps buffs up as a ast so ya. Can't seem to find any reason play my whm now the old PI was worthless but at least I could use it as a mini tetra on the tank but now it's even more useless. Glad all my sub money is going towards giving ast more toys.

[Ghishlain]

That would be because ast can't go nocturnal with a sch.
Gota build comps around the ast.but now I can pretty much always keep dps buffs up as a ast so ya. Can't seem to find any reason play my whm now the old PI was worthless but at least I could use it as a mini tetra on the tank but now it's even more useless. Glad all my sub money is going towards giving ast more toys.

That's your own loss and inflexibility then if you believe that.

You do also realize that even though AST has been given another DPS buff card, AST's absolute ceiling of contribution has been reduced due to the nerf on Balance? Your absolute maximum contribution with perfect Balance draws is 100s uptime every 120s. With the 10% nerf to balance AST's absolute perfect contribution to raid DPS is 4.16%. If we go with the more reasonable 40s Balance every 120s that I posted before AST's contribution via Balance is now 1.67% to the raid DPS.

This actually mean, using the numbers in that post I gave you before -

WHM's contribution = 2,080 DPS
AST's contribution = 1,587 DPS + (23,282 * 0.0167)DPS = 1,587D DPS + 388.03 DPS = 1,975.03 DPS

Taking ONLY Expanded Balance into consideration, WHMs DPS > ASTs DPS currently using current damage data and trends.

Now, this calculation above doesn't note for the fact that AST now has 3 chances to pull a DPS boosting card versus 2, so there are more opportunities for Expanded DPS boost. Also take into account 10%+ Crit and 10%+ Attack Speed =/= 10% additional damage so their contribution to AST's DPS will be less compared to Balance. How that math concludes at the end - well, I have no idea just yet because I don't want to really put the time into it ATM due to work but let's say overall AST's potential has fallen in the DPS-utility contribution.

Please get off the AST epeen. Thank you.

[edit] Also Solitude cleared O3S. Their healer comp = AST/SCH.

We knew AST was going to make out like a bandit this patch, but it's good to see the high skill tier teams putting due consideration into the other two healers.

[simiii]

Your assuming that but every ast I see complains saying they can only get 1 maybe 2 aoe balances(I personally can easily get around 5-6 on average) so meaning now all the people who had no idea how work around their cards can now just increase party dps almost every draw.
Also having a aoe benediction is just to good more regen then whm more shields then sch 40sec tetra (idk if it's stronger but it sure as hell is the same) oh and overall ast heals ALMOST not quite as much as a whm with benefic/benefic2/helios etc...no part of a ast kit feels worthless. While whm and sch half their kit feels completely garbage.never going see a whm/sch comp.
Don't matter to me I'll be playing this broken class till SE wonders why every1 stoped playing sch/whm and everyone is a ast. Then MAYBE just maybe they will do somthing.

[Ghishlain]

Your assuming that but every ast I see complains saying they can only get 1 maybe 2 aoe balances(I personally can easily get around 5-6 on average) so meaning now all the people who had no idea how work around their cards can now just increase party dps almost every draw.
Also having a aoe benediction is just to good more regen then whm more shields then sch 40sec tetra (idk if it's stronger but it sure as hell is the same) oh and overall ast heals ALMOST not quite as much as a whm with benefic/benefic2/helios etc...no part of a ast kit feels worthless. While whm and sch half their kit feels completely garbage.never going see a whm/sch comp.
Don't matter to me I'll be playing this broken class till SE wonders why every1 stoped playing sch/whm and everyone is a ast. Then MAYBE just maybe they will do somthing.

I'd like you to prove you can draw 5-6 AoE Balances every time your do a Primal fight or Omega fight. Seriously. Upload them into a FFLog. I'm curious to see the frequency of it. You'll find pulling 5-6 balances over the course of a 7 minute fight is a pretty crazy statistic. And trust me, I know how to work cards and I have seen streaks - but those are streaks and not consistency. The most amount of AoE balances I've seen at the fastest speed kills is 3 within the approximately 34 second fight of Susano looking at the logs, so about 46% uptime assuming every single one is extended with CO.

Also, the fact that you believe that AST can heal almost as much as WHM shows that you haven't done a lot of theorycraft on potency. Just so you know, AST's total potential actually exceeds WHM's just on raw healing power - they just happen to be constrained by their GCD usage.

Again, I will also comment if you feel half the WHM and SCH kit is complete garbage, that shows a level of ignorance, inflexibility, and non-adaptability in your thought process. Each kit has their strengths and weaknesses - AST just happens to have the least weaknesses out of everyone (Primary, a low level of oGCD heals meaning they have a heavy reliance of GCD heals to get the job done and thus also expend the most MP out of all three healers to mend any situation). Is the class powerful? Most definitely it is. Is it broken? Hmmmm... with the change to Balance I'm going to see... it's powerful, but not broken. Let's say it's as good as the SCH kit during the 3.X era. We'll see how it changes.

I'm also going to call out your ability to draw 5-6 AoE balances a fight as confirmation bias given your inflexibility to appreciate the other kits.

[simiii]

Actually just found out the tooltip is wrong it's 100% on aoe heals so it's more useful then a tank tetra now. So it's more of a free aoe heal to help manage our inf mp pool. Can we have a new skill that takes ALOT of mp to use that actually dose somthing? So much mp and nothing to spend it on now