SMN - Most Glaring Issues

[Ariomi]

Only math about bane and painflare I saw is this reddit thread - https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._vs_painflare/
And it shows that bane is actually better than painflare.
Also frankly I don't really feel aoe nerf in 70lvl dungeons. I still outdps almost every job on aoe pulls. Even most of BLMs.

The caveat to that is how long the adds live. I think it's something like 15 seconds or 5 dot ticks its stronger/equal then painflare.

[Mature]

Not bitter. It's sketchy. FF logs does a great job of determining what player's actual dps numbers are. If your buddy parses you at 3800, but Flogs tweaks it to 3400; More likely then not, your actual dps was 3400. Have your friend upload those logs so we can see your glorious top percentile damage.

Also sketchy that immediately after this, you set your FF logs to hidden.

Sketchy sketchy sketchy.

Oh absolutely I registered today and BLOCKED FFlogs to avoid confusion for people who live on logs judging others by random parsing when the user is not parsing himself.

Have a good day

[Ariomi]

Oh absolutely I registered today and BLOCKED FFlogs to avoid confusion for people who live on logs judging others by random parsing when the user is not parsing himself.

Have a good day

And that only discredits you further.
Somebody parsing you and yourself parsing doesn't make any difference to the numbers.

Just makes you look your hiding something.

[Angry_Evil]

The caveat to that is how long the adds live. I think it's something like 15 seconds or 5 dot ticks its stronger/equal then painflare.

All smn nerfs(1dot, SF, bane, r3 potency) are there for a reason - it being bahamut. Which is a lot of dps especially when your atherflow stacks are ready. So I don't see them boosting bane back even a little, especially after overall aoe nerfs.
The only way to make smn AOE more impactful and satisfying I see - is to rework the job from ground up, get rid of dots pets etc. and make job around summoning like they did with bahamut. Then we would be able to have high potency impactful skills. And while we have nonstop firing turret that does like 20% of damage it won't happen.

Oh absolutely I registered today and BLOCKED FFlogs to avoid confusion for people who live on logs judging others by random parsing when the user is not parsing himself.

That's hilarious.

[Ariomi]

All smn nerfs(1dot, SF, bane, r3 potency) are there for a reason - it being bahamut. Which is a lot of dps especially when your atherflow stacks are ready. So I don't see them boosting bane back even a little, especially after overall aoe nerfs.
The only way to make smn AOE more impactful and satisfying I see - is to rework the job from ground up, get rid of dots pets etc. and make job around summoning like they did with bahamut. Then we would be able to have high potency impactful skills. And while we have nonstop firing turret that does like 20% of damage it won't happen.

That's hilarious.

Pet feels more Summoner's auto attack to me. The nerfs feel to much for me tbh. Ninja's hellfrog is a flat 400 potency with no fall off, and Blm's 650 foul is up every 30 seconds. Maybe my opinion would change if Ahk Morn was actually 680 potency and not a Pet's 680 potency.

[Mature]

And that only discredits you further.
Somebody parsing you and yourself parsing doesn't make any difference to the numbers.

Just makes you look your hiding something.

I understand that I made you feel less but like I said, seeing someone picking on a learning run as an example its poor and a clear sign of bitterness.

I apologize in advance I hope you get to improve your damage and revisit your rotations.

[Dualgunner]

I understand that I made you feel less but like I said, seeing someone picking on a learning run as an example its poor and a clear sign of bitterness.

I apologize in advance I hope you get to improve your damage and revisit your rotations.

Methinks you doeth protest too much. You're really projecting hard on Ariomi lol

But I mean, we *all* know you have a gold parse hidden behind your blocked parses on FFLogs. You must to talk down to Ariomi with her purple parse.

[Angry_Evil]

Pet feels more Summoner's auto attack to me. The nerfs feel to much for me tbh. Ninja's hellfrog is a flat 400 potency with no fall off, and Blm's 650 foul is up every 30 seconds. Maybe my opinion would change if Ahk Morn was actually 680 potency and not a Pet's 680 potency.

Talking raw potency is pretty meaningless with summoner cause of summons. Ninja can have all the 400 potency skills but no way in hell will outDPS me on actual pulls in dungeons. BLM will probably do a little more damage but it seems like what SE wants. You people seem never to consider how easy it is to make SMN super OP, unnerf ruin 3 and bane how they were and we'll have the most damage both on ST and AOE. With 2 utility buffs and resurrection. I want ahk morn to be actual 680 potency from my stats too lol But eh whatever. We'll see how smn performs in savage content soon.

[Ariomi]

Talking raw potency is pretty meaningless with summoner cause of summons. Ninja can have all the 400 potency skills but no way in hell will outDPS me on actual pulls in dungeons. BLM will probably do a little more damage but it seems like what SE wants. You people seem never to consider how easy it is to make SMN super OP, unnerf ruin 3 and bane how they were and we'll have the most damage both on ST and AOE. With 2 utility buffs and resurrection. I want ahk morn to be actual 680 potency from my stats too lol But eh whatever. We'll see how smn performs in savage content soon.

The actual dps gap between summoner and say red mage is pretty high... Not even sure that would be enough. I hope O2S is fun.

[Angry_Evil]

The actual dps gap between summoner and say red mage is pretty high... Not even sure that would be enough. I hope O2S is fun.

Certainly not aoe dps. ST gap is there but it seems to me it's that big more cause of player skill. If I farm ex primals usually my dps is on par with RDMs(usually higher probably), without food, potions or a lot of ST balances lol. So I personally think even aetherflow fix will add decent amount of dps to summoner. But probably won't make it easier for less skilled players to play smn better. Like... I saw 2.5k dps summoner while I farmed, then he changed to rdm and started doing 3k+ probably like 3,5k. It was pretty amusing.
All that is a problem obviously. Not sure what they expected with all that changes to summoner lol. I'm really interested what they'll do in 4.05(probably nothing or nerf us even more haha)