SMN - Most Glaring Issues

[YuyukoYuko]

Coming here to chime in on the Bane nerf...I think Bane should be reverted at least partially. Especially for the sake of Scholars. It makes DoTs far too weak. According to the math, Painflare is almost always better.

[Ariomi]

Coming here to chime in on the Bane nerf...I think Bane should be reverted at least partially. Especially for the sake of Scholars. It makes DoTs far too weak. According to the math, Painflare is almost always better.

Painflare is always better unless it's something crazy like 7 or more adds that live long enough for the dots to tick.

Loss of a full dot AND increased damage reduction?

Painflare on three adds is 600 potency. Bane on three adds takes your dots on one of them and spreads it. So it's only really the damage on the other two. 80 and 64 potency ish per tick. Takes bane 12 seconds to do the same amount of damage. Better off just dotting adds individually and painflare.

I think they should make Shadowflare be up whenever you like. Take off the cooldown and put it back to a useable spell. Would help lessen the blow a little bit >.>

[Angry_Evil]

Coming here to chime in on the Bane nerf...I think Bane should be reverted at least partially. Especially for the sake of Scholars. It makes DoTs far too weak. According to the math, Painflare is almost always better.

Only math about bane and painflare I saw is this reddit thread - https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._vs_painflare/
And it shows that bane is actually better than painflare.
Also frankly I don't really feel aoe nerf in 70lvl dungeons. I still outdps almost every job on aoe pulls. Even most of BLMs.

[Ariomi]

Only math about bane and painflare I saw is this reddit thread - https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._vs_painflare/
And it shows that bane is actually better than painflare.
Also frankly I don't really feel aoe nerf in 70lvl dungeons. I still outdps almost every job on aoe pulls. Even most of BLMs.

The caveat to that is how long the adds live. I think it's something like 15 seconds or 5 dot ticks its stronger/equal then painflare.

[Angry_Evil]

The caveat to that is how long the adds live. I think it's something like 15 seconds or 5 dot ticks its stronger/equal then painflare.

All smn nerfs(1dot, SF, bane, r3 potency) are there for a reason - it being bahamut. Which is a lot of dps especially when your atherflow stacks are ready. So I don't see them boosting bane back even a little, especially after overall aoe nerfs.
The only way to make smn AOE more impactful and satisfying I see - is to rework the job from ground up, get rid of dots pets etc. and make job around summoning like they did with bahamut. Then we would be able to have high potency impactful skills. And while we have nonstop firing turret that does like 20% of damage it won't happen.

Oh absolutely I registered today and BLOCKED FFlogs to avoid confusion for people who live on logs judging others by random parsing when the user is not parsing himself.

That's hilarious.

[Ariomi]

All smn nerfs(1dot, SF, bane, r3 potency) are there for a reason - it being bahamut. Which is a lot of dps especially when your atherflow stacks are ready. So I don't see them boosting bane back even a little, especially after overall aoe nerfs.
The only way to make smn AOE more impactful and satisfying I see - is to rework the job from ground up, get rid of dots pets etc. and make job around summoning like they did with bahamut. Then we would be able to have high potency impactful skills. And while we have nonstop firing turret that does like 20% of damage it won't happen.

That's hilarious.

Pet feels more Summoner's auto attack to me. The nerfs feel to much for me tbh. Ninja's hellfrog is a flat 400 potency with no fall off, and Blm's 650 foul is up every 30 seconds. Maybe my opinion would change if Ahk Morn was actually 680 potency and not a Pet's 680 potency.

[Fantasy9]

All smn nerfs(1dot, SF, bane, r3 potency) are there for a reason - it being bahamut. Which is a lot of dps especially when your atherflow stacks are ready. So I don't see them boosting bane back even a little, especially after overall aoe nerfs.
The only way to make smn AOE more impactful and satisfying I see - is to rework the job from ground up, get rid of dots pets etc. and make job around summoning like they did with bahamut. Then we would be able to have high potency impactful skills. And while we have nonstop firing turret that does like 20% of damage it won't happen.

That's hilarious.

They(SE) practically did that with the PvP. You don't even have egis anymore, and they made it so you only need one aether rotation to summon bahamut.

[HappyHubris]

Bahamut is a dragon with wings...why not have him hover over the battlefield when he's summoned instead of hugging the ground? Removed the obstruction in a thematically-friendly way.

[Mature]

Lol that guy at first wrote something around 3300-3400 and then edited to 3800. And person whom he's answering to is in top 5 nobalance dps on lakshimi-susano...

And again bitter people jumping into conclusions... I edited cause my mate told me that I was pulling much higher than that. I don't parse they parse me.

Sorry if you feel less and bitter knowing that you might not be able to pull big numbers but that's not my fault. You might need to revisit your rotations.

On a dummy I'm only leaving 26s left (susano ex) Full 314 with only right side all VI and wep VI (materias)

Yourself and Aromi must be living under a rock. Some of us pull a lot of damage too but we don't go around telling everyone or publishing videos about it. I'm not that deluded.

[Osh1mA]

And again bitter people jumping into conclusions... I edited cause my mate told me that I was pulling much higher than that. I don't parse they parse me.

Sorry if you feel less and bitter knowing that you might not be able to pull big numbers but that's not my fault. You might need to revisit your rotations.

On a dummy I'm only leaving 26s left (susano ex) Full 314 with only right side all VI and wep VI (materias)

Yourself and Aromi must be living under a rock. Some of us pull a lot of damage too but we don't go around telling everyone or publishing videos about it. I'm not that deluded.

I dont understand why you so offended lol. Difference between parser dps and fflogs dps is about 200-300dps. So 3800 is average if true at all.