Consolidated Scholar 4.0 Feedback Thread

[SweetPete]

Continuation:

Chain Stratagem I honestly do not like it. I mean it's PvP version is amazing. So maybe they should rethink that. Our healing is so low potency wise, it's just ridiculous. Adlo is a joke now and so is Succour. Indom is still good but a 30 sec CD is just bad seeing as it cost a Aetherflow. Emergency tactics needs it's CD reduced as well. Exoc needs to be changed to something more worth it. In 8 mans it is just tough to use as there is a second healer and tanks using their own tankbusters. It is a waste of a Aetherflow. Maybe it should not even cost an Aetherflow to be honest. Fey union is nice but I think either one or 3 things should happen. The fairy should follow the player it is tethered to, it should be 20y instead of 10 or it should be an Aoe healing tether for the 10y and stationary fairy. Dissipation do not even get me started on this ability lol. I still never use it. I agree that Fey union and Dissipation does not work together int he SCH kit at all.

[SweetPete]

Final Thoughts:

I think SE took most of their time on tanks and the new jobs and some of the dps jobs and healers were just rushed. SE said Healers would be refreshing to play and honestly they are not. SCH has allot of issues. They saved WHM "Sorta" and OP Astro and definitely dropped the ball on SCH. I hope Yoshi P mentions this in the live letter in 10 days. Because they definitely screwed SCH and this is just on the healing portion of the job.

Either way SE really needs to look at SCH and we need some serious changes. Hopefully in 4.05 we will see a new SCH born. SE did say they are looking at feedback and listening to the player base so fingers crossed.

[Rubiss]

Copied my post from another thread but here's what we need.

1. Fey Union's potency needs to be significantly higher. Considering you get 3 ticks of this per minute (roughly, who knows how RNGFlow will go), a measly 5-6k is a sad joke, especially given the poor range and the animation dance required to even use it. The range should be 100y (like Bahamut) or at the very least, 30y like Embrace.

2. Excogitation is unnecessary. It doesn't reward planning nearly enough, and has poor synergy with other healers. 50 more potency Over Lustrate? Thanks. Saves me a GCD when things get dicey? Lustrate is 1 second recast. There is no situation where things are so dicey that I can't spare 1 second. If such a situation exists, no healer but SCH can do this.

3. Adloquium is a crappier Aspected Benefic. Not instant cast, costs more, weaker in every situation aside from a crit and even then, it's barely higher compared to a Aspected Benefic crit. You can bring up Deployment Tactics, but we can't fish for crits as reliably anymore with higher MP costs and crit being nerfed in general. Realistically, spread crit-lo is nice but not something you try and plan for.

4. Succor costs the same as Cure 3. Why doesn't it have the same potency then? Pick one. Lower Succor's MP cost to rival Medica or buff Succor's potency to 550.

5. Dissipation has poor synergy with Aetherpact. So we'll gain stacks and lose the fairy who benefits from us using stacks? Have to waste, at best 1 GCD and waste a valuable CD (swiftcast) or hard cast (which we won't do anyways). This skill is terrible and is only ever useful for minor DPS gains (very minor) and emergencies. It hurts you in the long run and is far too punishing. Resummon the Fairy after Dissipation wears off would be nice.

6. Embrace was nerfed for the wrong reason. Fairy shined in 3.X because Cleric Stance didn't effect them. They had 100% uptime on a nice heal. This mean that SCH had the easiest time DPSing and Healing at the same time (arguably still have it the easiest, by a much smaller margin). However, SCH's strength was their ability to DPS while Healing. With Cleric Stance no longer required to stance-dance, the fairy's main strength in 3.X is gone. So why are they nerfed? This greatly lowers SCH's HPS and is unneeded.

7. Quickened Aetherflow is garbage. A flat CDR of even 10 seconds would be better than this RNG crap. Statistically speaking, it shaves off 8 seconds roughly, but with how it works, you're just going to have bursts of unfun (or very fun) inconsistency. Just make it flat and stop this RNG nonsense.

8. Our AoE sucks. We don't have a level 40 job skill anymore. Give us an AoE here or at least a trait. Anything man. We got jack here.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

3.X SCH was at an almost perfect standpoint, with very few flaws but also not being ridiculously OP.

SCH was op since 2.X, basically inception. The only reason it didn't feel OP is because it had been for two entire expansions. This is actually the first time SCH was removed from its godly and mandatory prestige pedestal.

[Rubiss]

SCH was op since 2.X, basically inception. The only reason it didn't feel OP is because it had been for two entire expansions. This is actually the first time SCH was removed from its godly and mandatory prestige pedestal.

SCH was never OP. Cleric Stance was just designed in such a way that the fairy was the best source of healing while in it. SCH has always had lower HPS. Now that Cleric Stance is effectively gone, the flexibility and strength of DPSing and Healing has now been given to everyone else and now it's become very obvious that SCH is, in fact, the weakest raw healer.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

it's become very obvious that SCH is, in fact, the weakest raw healer.

Except it's only obvious now because they were significantly and drastically nerfed in many ways, including their effective healing efficiency. Like I said, they've literally just been brought down to normal.

[Lildragora]

I would be happy if they just brought over the same base shield potency modifiers as AST and apply the crit modifier to succor. Maybe bring the shield potency down from 250% to 200% for both.

Fey Union should provide a "union" between the SCH and Fairy granting CD refresh for aetherflow and fairy abilities, while providing the tether to target but not locking the fairy out of abilities with a longer and smarter lease (like follow target and stop draining gauge if tether is broken). The tether would be same potency as embrace but devoted to a single target or would cause a embrace to go off on the selected target every time a Physick, Adloquium or Succor is cast without interfereing with any fairy abilities being used including the actual embrace ability.. Would be on a 30 second CD and last for 10 gauge consumed every 3 seconds for a total up time at 100 gauge of 30 seconds. Likewise, to get 100 gauge you need around 3+ minutes of Aertherflow ability use

Excogition should provide a shield of equivalent potency if the effect is not triggered especially since it costs a AF stack (which it shouldn't). (if no AF stack cost) if you have 20 fairy gauge available at time of use it would consume the 20 points and give it a higher heal/shield potency modifier so instead of 650, 700.

Bring Sacred Soil mitigation up from 10% to 20% and increase the chance of a free succor. It is so unreliable even in dungeons or primals where I am purposefully trying to trigger it. Out of 10 Lakshmi Ex runs I got one trigger of the ability with multiple sacred soils per run. While that is a small sample size a 20% chance it should proc more frequently.

Dissipation should increase healing and refresh Aetherflow stacks without sacrificing the fairy. It would summon Lilly and give it access to all 8 fairy abilities for the duration of Dissipation and returning the original fairy upon end. This would mean the fairy abilities while under dissipation would not share CD timers, however any ability used would cause the original fairies CDs to be down, unless timed right. Lilly would be an additional effect added by a trait at the lvl 65-70 range (Yes this is actual Lore to the SCH job, Selene represents moonlight and Eos sunlight and are two parts of a fairy named Lilly). I would keep it on the same 2 minute CD, I would be okay with a 150 second CD as well while duration would remain the same.

Quickened Aetherflow should be replaced with "Tactician" trait giving a flat 5% boost to crit chance on healing spells and abilities and undoes the bane nerf. This would not affect fairies.

Fey Wind should be brought up to 5-10% and replace the silence with a single target P+M Def debuff at around 5-10% or a DoT effect. Unrelated but the spellspeed increase on fairy crits would be a welcome re-addition too.

I would also be interested to see something involving the fairy gauge amount and either crit or shield potency increases. For instance if your fairy gauge is at 50, shields get a 25 potency increase, if at 100 a 50 potency increase or at 50+ gauge all shield providing spells have a +5% chance of critting, jumping up to 10% at 100. This would be passive.



Overall, the additional uses of Aetherflow and Fairy CDs would give parties extra utility and situational use burst while giving it the identity of a mitigation healer. Playing on its already established crit procs and toolkit it would bring up the job without stepping to far into either WHM or AST territory. Technically the above would add an additional trait to the ones we already have however considering that Yoshi P originally stated that he wanted all jobs to have the same number of abilities and now we have jobs with more and less I dont see why this would be an issue.

On another side note, Plenary Indulgence should grant the target a Confession Aura that spreads 10y, 15y, and 20y respectively based on stack quantity. The aura would be like a bloodbath effect giving people a minor health recovery for damage dealt while adding a 50 potency holy damage to all auto attacks and weapon abilities/spells. In the event two people have the aura the effects would not stack. Or something like that, you know for raid utility.

[Rubiss]

Except it's only obvious now because they were significantly and drastically nerfed in many ways, including their effective healing efficiency. Like I said, they've literally just been brought down to normal.

Their healing never needed nerfs. They were never OP in this regard. They were only good because they had solid sustain heals with DoTs. This allowed them to achieve higher DPS because they could afford more time to do so. Coupled with the themepark ride that was Creator Savage, and there you go. Eos can solo heal 30% of the fight. What made SCH "OP" was never their raw healing, it was the sustained nature of it which is no longer something they dominate. Everyone can heal and DPS very easily now without having to waste GCDs dancing in Cleric Stance. It's because of Cleric Stance's changes that SCH is actually weak right now.

[PaulH]

I think screw the dps bit... if we had heals off of aetherflow and eos/physick combined did stuff it would be alright...

[TristanBlane]

I want Dissipation gone so bad. I hate it. It takes up space in my hotbars and the few times I actually used it, I did not feel a boost to my healing. I really hope they do something to the Lvl 62 move Excogitation, I loath it and can't find a practical way to use it.