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  1. #331
    Player Miles_Maelstrom's Avatar
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    Miles Maelstrom
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    Gilgamesh
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    Scholar Lv 80
    I just wish they would stop giving us these abilities that give us a nice benefit, but punish us for using the skill.

    Dissipation:
    Benefits - Bonus healing to 3 of our 6 healing abilities. 3 aether stacks.
    Punishments - fairy gone can't assist with healing; locked out of fairy abilities for duration; need to devote steep mp cost to resummon fairy, and cast time or a valuable CD; aether stacks won't build fairy gauge if used during duration.

    FaeUnion:
    Benefits - places a strong HoT on target.
    Punishments - fairy gone can't assist with healing; locked out of fairy abilities for duration of HoT; fairy plants itself near target if tank (who else would it be) fairy is now in cleave position; mp devotion to heal fairy after it inevitably took cleave damage; target needs to stay need fairy to receive benefit or fairy bleeds gauge uselessly.
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  2. #332
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    LegoTechnic's Avatar
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    Seolla Viltara
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Miles_Maelstrom View Post
    Punishments - fairy gone can't assist with healing; locked out of fairy abilities for duration of HoT; fairy plants itself near target if tank (who else would it be) fairy is now in cleave position; mp devotion to heal fairy after it inevitably took cleave damage; target needs to stay need fairy to receive benefit or fairy bleeds gauge uselessly.
    For the last point, 10y is actually pretty long for the tether and it's very rare that it will actually put the fairy in cleave range. For reference, if Whispering Dawn can hit the tank then the fairy was already within 15 yalms of it anyway, so this is only 5y closer and almost always safe enough unless the tank is in the middle of a crazy mob-pile with orange slices in every direction. Also you can use the fairy's abilities prior to activating Union if you like, though it is definitely a move you have to intend to use rather than one to pop on reaction given its start-up time.
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  3. #333
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    Cynfael's Avatar
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    Sacrilege Moonshadow
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    Hyperion
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by LegoTechnic View Post
    For the last point, 10y is actually pretty long for the tether and it's very rare that it will actually put the fairy in cleave range. For reference, if Whispering Dawn can hit the tank then the fairy was already within 15 yalms of it anyway, so this is only 5y closer and almost always safe enough unless the tank is in the middle of a crazy mob-pile with orange slices in every direction. Also you can use the fairy's abilities prior to activating Union if you like, though it is definitely a move you have to intend to use rather than one to pop on reaction given its start-up time.
    I'd argue that it's still very easy to violate a 10y range, and the fact that the ability doesn't auto-cancel in that event is an issue. Fey Union being an ability rather than a spell compounds the range and broken deactivation issues since CDs like Rouse and Fey Illumination contribute nothing to its output.

    It's not the worst ability ever by any means, but its level of clunkiness and lack of synergy with healing CDs and with Dissipation is extremely disappointing. It's ironic that the 60 and 70 capstone abilities are at complete odds with each other, especially considering that Dissipation was already full of issues and received 0 fixes. Just a lot of wrong on SE's part, here.
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  5. #334
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    Deceptus's Avatar
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Behemoth
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by TristanBlane View Post
    I want Dissipation gone so bad. I hate it. It takes up space in my hotbars and the few times I actually used it, I did not feel a boost to my healing. I really hope they do something to the Lvl 62 move Excogitation, I loath it and can't find a practical way to use it.
    This is because so many Scholar heals aren't effected by the 20% healing buff.
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  6. #335
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    technole's Avatar
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    Thea Sitori
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    Gilgamesh
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    Scholar Lv 72
    Dissipate+Succor was so good back in minimal ilvl Sephirot Ex add phase burst damage days. I was always telling DPS just go ham on them because of how potent those shields were. You get enough for up to 3 explosions, can even dps, be easily back to full MP and manually re-summon fairy for last phase.

    Now we got access to Largesse which is real nice to have. It's really all dependent on encounter design. Downtimes and fairy swaps can make Dissipate useful. You just you won't find much of a use outside of raiding.
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  7. #336
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    AlphaSonic's Avatar
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    Shaartis Laggal
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    Louisoix
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    Thaumaturge Lv 70
    Why SCH don't use dissipate more? The fairy was nerfed, now you have more reasons to kill her =D.
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  8. #337
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    jstamos's Avatar
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    Yesui Himaa
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    Excalibur
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    Scholar Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaSonic View Post
    Why SCH don't use dissipate more? The fairy was nerfed, now you have more reasons to kill her =D.
    That's how inconsequential the healing buff (doesn't affect a slew of our heals) is compared to losing even the nerfed fairy.
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  9. #338
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    Born_Free's Avatar
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    Joyous Blossom
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    Mateus
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    Scholar Lv 70
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2LG...ature=youtu.be

    I got so sick of trying to reply to new SCH threads that I just made a video. Battling unfair nurfs is exhausting.
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    Want to watch easy-to-understand lore videos with crappy doodles and my meme-tier microphone quality?
    Youtube @ Extremely Casual, baby.

  10. #339
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    AlphaSonic's Avatar
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    Shaartis Laggal
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    Louisoix
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    Quote Originally Posted by jstamos View Post
    That's how inconsequential the healing buff (doesn't affect a slew of our heals) is compared to losing even the nerfed fairy.
    Well if dissipation would reduce mana costs by 25-50% I would use it all the time.
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  11. #340
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    Kimora Stryder
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    Brynhildr
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    I have not seen anyone mention this, so I will share: While it is not the intended way of using it, I use Excogitation after the person is under 50%. It then instantly restores the HP instead of granting the effect. Otherwise, I'd never touch it.
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