SAM out classing all other DPS

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

It would be great if I could see a post criticizing criticism of SAM that isn't from a 70 SAM whining about how their class is going to be nerfed to the ground, followed by some random anecdote of "but SAM doesn't really outdamage that much and I get beaten sometimes," and it's like yes, every gets their DPS beaten. That's what happens when you run into players that are better than you. Please stop stating the obvious. It has nothing to do with class balance. If someone plays a top tier character in a fighting game and loses a lot and/or loses period, it does not magically change that character's tier.

The current #2 dps in Susano is a monk. Without Balance padding.

[Oscura]

The current #2 dps in Susano is a monk. Without Balance padding.

Already looked at the list. There's nearly 30 SAM for every 3 MNK. I just said that skill level does not determine balance. That monk is clearly above and beyond the average one. Balance has to address all forms of skill levels, not just the highest.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Already looked at the list. There's nearly 30 SAM for every 3 MNK. I just said that skill level does not determine balance. That monk is clearly above and beyond the average one. Balance has to address all forms of skill levels, not just the highest.

Or since theres a high population of samurai right now, and not many monks, the numbers are skewed. But lets continue with hating on SAM for no reason.

[Oscura]

Or since theres a high population of samurai right now, and not many monks, the numbers are skewed. But lets continue with hating on SAM for no reason.

Just on the top 100 list there's 82 SAM for the non-18 SAM on the list alone.

This includes all classes, not just Monk. In fact, there are NINE Monks for non-balance parsing. The highest of all the non-SAM classes there. There's only even two red mages there, so you can't even use the "the class is new so it's super popular" excuse.

Do not go down this rabbit hole.

I am not hating SAM for "no reason," I am being critical. There has never been such a lopsided class bias in rankings, whether it be top 100 or top 500.

[MiruWest]

Just on the top 100 list there's 82 SAM for the non-18 SAM on the list alone.

This includes all classes, not just Monk. In fact, there are NINE Monks for non-balance parsing. The highest of all the non-SAM classes there. There's only even two red mages there, so you can't even use the "the class is new so it's super popular" excuse.

Do not go down this rabbit hole.

I am not hating SAM for "no reason," I am being critical. There has never been such a lopsided class bias in rankings, whether it be top 100 or top 500.

He literally just told you alot of people are playing SAM atm and then you restate that the top 100 has alot of SAM's..... come on man. Its hard to use top 100 as a base when alot of folk are trying out SAM atm.....

[Oscura]

He literally just told you alot of people are playing SAM atm and then you restate that the top 100 has alot of SAM's..... come on man. Its hard to use top 100 as a base when alot of folk are trying out SAM atm.....

I also just told him a lot of people are playing Red Mages, but there is only two on the entire list. Anyone can say there is a lot of anything. Both classes are new, but I don't see nearly as many RDM as SAM no matter where I look at the list.

Or are you implying there's double digit amounts of SAM for every one RDM?

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

There has never been such a lopsided class bias in rankings, whether it be top 100 or top 500.

A sword using dps class was a hugely popular request and demand made by the community across all forms of medium, a request one would be hard pressed by a red mage that has a melee burst phase maybe once every 2 minutes for five seconds. I'm not surprised in the least that Samurai is a popular job to test due to being the only actual sword job.

Or are you implying there's double digit amounts of SAM for every one RDM?

TBH, this is an even bigger problem, just due to the objective fact RDM has the lowest skill ceiling of all the casters with ridiculously good utility in Embolden.

[Aomine1992]

Or since theres a high population of samurai right now, and not many monks, the numbers are skewed. But lets continue with hating on SAM for no reason.

This pretty much ended her argument right here there are way more SAMs then anything else besides RDM so the data is a bit biased currently....

[Lastelli]

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TBH, this is an even bigger problem, just due to the objective fact RDM has the lowest skill ceiling of all the casters with ridiculously good utility in Embolden.

And instaraise multiple times...and the fact that it's probably the least punishing job if you mess up. Plus, very easy resource management and no buildup time necessary, whereas SAM, for instance, needs a minimum of 5 GCDs to apply the jinpu and shifu buffs up to 7 GCDs if no other party member can apply the slashing damage up debuff, which is a big deal actually. This just proves that many people simply want their job to be in the top fflogs rankings without considering what each job brings to the party, be it personal dps or utility/synergy.

[Oscura]

This pretty much ended her argument right here there are way more SAMs then anything else besides RDM so the data is a bit biased currently....

There is no bias in data.

If your argument is just that the class is so overwhelmingly popular that it eclipses even Red Mage, and that it just happens that all these super skilled players are all playing SAM simultaneously, that still sets off alarms.

In any other game, if all the top players or even most of the top players are always using the same character or one character in their team, party or whatever, that character is eventually recognized as imbalanced. Overwatch had the same problem. Mccree had an over 100% use rate at one point in competitive because people would rock two of them in one team. When there's such an imbalance of pick numbers, or in FFXIV's case, parses and/or parties that include SAM vs ones that don't, there's a massive red flag. Popularity does not dictate balance, but to imply that because something is popular you cannot determine it's balance is short sighted.

@Lastelli
I don't care if my job is in the top FFlogs parsing. I really don't. If I cared so badly I'd just play Samurai. I like Samurai. It's a fun class. I'm just being critical of it. Red Mage is too strong, it can raise better than healers, manage mechanics better than BLM, and has more reliable damage than SMN since SMN's damage is purely reliant on burst periods. I must be crazy though, actually criticizing that my class is too good. God forbid.

Edit: Also "no build up time necessary" guess that black/white mana bar is just there for show and does nothing for RDM.