SAM out classing all other DPS

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

It would be great if I could see a post criticizing criticism of SAM that isn't from a 70 SAM whining about how their class is going to be nerfed to the ground, followed by some random anecdote of "but SAM doesn't really outdamage that much and I get beaten sometimes," and it's like yes, every gets their DPS beaten. That's what happens when you run into players that are better than you. Please stop stating the obvious. It has nothing to do with class balance. If someone plays a top tier character in a fighting game and loses a lot and/or loses period, it does not magically change that character's tier.

The current #2 dps in Susano is a monk. Without Balance padding.

[Oscura]

The current #2 dps in Susano is a monk. Without Balance padding.

Already looked at the list. There's nearly 30 SAM for every 3 MNK. I just said that skill level does not determine balance. That monk is clearly above and beyond the average one. Balance has to address all forms of skill levels, not just the highest.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Already looked at the list. There's nearly 30 SAM for every 3 MNK. I just said that skill level does not determine balance. That monk is clearly above and beyond the average one. Balance has to address all forms of skill levels, not just the highest.

Or since theres a high population of samurai right now, and not many monks, the numbers are skewed. But lets continue with hating on SAM for no reason.

[Oscura]

Or since theres a high population of samurai right now, and not many monks, the numbers are skewed. But lets continue with hating on SAM for no reason.

Just on the top 100 list there's 82 SAM for the non-18 SAM on the list alone.

This includes all classes, not just Monk. In fact, there are NINE Monks for non-balance parsing. The highest of all the non-SAM classes there. There's only even two red mages there, so you can't even use the "the class is new so it's super popular" excuse.

Do not go down this rabbit hole.

I am not hating SAM for "no reason," I am being critical. There has never been such a lopsided class bias in rankings, whether it be top 100 or top 500.

[MiruWest]

Just on the top 100 list there's 82 SAM for the non-18 SAM on the list alone.

This includes all classes, not just Monk. In fact, there are NINE Monks for non-balance parsing. The highest of all the non-SAM classes there. There's only even two red mages there, so you can't even use the "the class is new so it's super popular" excuse.

Do not go down this rabbit hole.

I am not hating SAM for "no reason," I am being critical. There has never been such a lopsided class bias in rankings, whether it be top 100 or top 500.

He literally just told you alot of people are playing SAM atm and then you restate that the top 100 has alot of SAM's..... come on man. Its hard to use top 100 as a base when alot of folk are trying out SAM atm.....

[Oscura]

He literally just told you alot of people are playing SAM atm and then you restate that the top 100 has alot of SAM's..... come on man. Its hard to use top 100 as a base when alot of folk are trying out SAM atm.....

I also just told him a lot of people are playing Red Mages, but there is only two on the entire list. Anyone can say there is a lot of anything. Both classes are new, but I don't see nearly as many RDM as SAM no matter where I look at the list.

Or are you implying there's double digit amounts of SAM for every one RDM?

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

There has never been such a lopsided class bias in rankings, whether it be top 100 or top 500.

A sword using dps class was a hugely popular request and demand made by the community across all forms of medium, a request one would be hard pressed by a red mage that has a melee burst phase maybe once every 2 minutes for five seconds. I'm not surprised in the least that Samurai is a popular job to test due to being the only actual sword job.

Or are you implying there's double digit amounts of SAM for every one RDM?

TBH, this is an even bigger problem, just due to the objective fact RDM has the lowest skill ceiling of all the casters with ridiculously good utility in Embolden.

[Lastelli]

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TBH, this is an even bigger problem, just due to the objective fact RDM has the lowest skill ceiling of all the casters with ridiculously good utility in Embolden.

And instaraise multiple times...and the fact that it's probably the least punishing job if you mess up. Plus, very easy resource management and no buildup time necessary, whereas SAM, for instance, needs a minimum of 5 GCDs to apply the jinpu and shifu buffs up to 7 GCDs if no other party member can apply the slashing damage up debuff, which is a big deal actually. This just proves that many people simply want their job to be in the top fflogs rankings without considering what each job brings to the party, be it personal dps or utility/synergy.

[Galvuu]

Or since theres a high population of samurai right now, and not many monks, the numbers are skewed. But lets continue with hating on SAM for no reason.

This is a good point, and you can technically see how many parses for each job are available for the last two weeks, actually, to see if the data we're working with reflect that skewness.
You have 25k SAM and RDM players, then an interesting 21K BRDs (guess the removal of WM was quite popular), then DRG and NIN at around 14k and the rest under 10k.
So this is a good point.
Conversely, it also makes you raise your eyebrows if a lot of people flock to a new job and are already quite capable of putting the others behind with such a gap (mind you, most people who stuck with the other jobs were probably mains already and had less to learn/adjust to).