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  1. #31
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    Dj_Seaghost's Avatar
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    Revy Strauss
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    Gilgamesh
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by AmandaLashaquoa View Post
    Yeah PLD doesn't need this much DPS, they use a one hand sword and a shield, this is out of proportion, they should be THE weakest class, even behind healers cause healers use modafawking magic.
    They shouldn't be behind healers, they also use magic when fighting with their swords. It should be War>Drg>Pld all very close in dps. More on the more mitigation(less dps) vs less mitigation(more dps) sacrifice
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  2. #32
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    Otorinth's Avatar
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    Otorinth Uzoth
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    Mateus
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    Machinist Lv 90
    It may be more work to buff the WAR and DRK up to the PLD's level, but damned if it won't provide a better outcome than just flat out nerfing PLD. People shouldn't be striving for the balance of one at the cost of another.
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  3. #33
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    Dzian's Avatar
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    Scarlett Dzian
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    Sargatanas
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    Bard Lv 76
    Quote Originally Posted by Kerwin View Post
    Nope. No need and working as intended. Though they could build shield oath gage faster.
    At higher levels the shield oath gauge goes up so fast you won't know what to do with it half the time

    I thought it was really slow until I got holy spirit
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  4. #34
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    Tila's Avatar
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    Tila Beauguerre
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    Mateus
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Otorinth View Post
    It may be more work to buff the WAR and DRK up to the PLD's level, but damned if it won't provide a better outcome than just flat out nerfing PLD. People shouldn't be striving for the balance of one at the cost of another.
    The big problem is that PLD simply has way to much utility. You cant fix that unless you either flat out REMOVE their stuff, or give WAR and DRK whole new things or add effects to what they have.

    So long as PLD has more utility than the others, it has to lose out somewhere: either defense or damage. They can't keep it all unless square is willing to overhaul the tanks.
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  5. #35
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    Atreides's Avatar
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    Ikohyu Kaito
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    Balmung
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    Marauder Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Dj_Seaghost View Post
    It should be War>Drg>Pld all very close in dps.
    Poor Dragoons that are behind tanks in damage! :P
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    Last edited by Atreides; 07-01-2017 at 04:22 AM.

  6. #36
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    Dj_Seaghost's Avatar
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    Revy Strauss
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    Gilgamesh
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    oops lol of course I meant DRK, but on that note drg could use a little more dps
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    Last edited by Dj_Seaghost; 07-01-2017 at 04:22 AM.

  7. #37
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    Vespereaux Vaillantes
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    Exodus
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    Paladin Lv 91
    Quote Originally Posted by Atreides View Post
    Poor Dragoons that are behind tanks in damage! :P
    Well, their agro management against the ground is off the charts so they have to be balanced out in the tank meta somehow.

    Yep, that's right. I'm dropping some old school lol, drg love.

    Bonus.
    Q: What did the the DRG say when he zoned into an all dps group for PotD?
    A: Don't worry, I can tank the floor.
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    Last edited by TouchandFeel; 07-01-2017 at 04:57 AM.

  8. #38
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    Paladinleeds's Avatar
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    Nomfur Farredzasyn
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    Omega
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    White Mage Lv 100
    As a paladin myself, I must say I think they need an extreme nerf. Stupid amounts of utility, good damage, able to block physical and magical damage. They seem to have all of the upsides with none of the downsides that DRK/WAR has. I think reducing their damage by 90% while increasing their enmity in Shield Oath only to compensate would be a good enough nerf. Extreme looking? Definitely, but with all the utility the PLD brings, I think it'll be needed. That way if you want a balance of damage and utility, you take DRK, and for all out damage (near enough), take WAR. Where you need lots of defence and utility, take PLD. Make each one situational and useful in different ways.
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    White Mage ~ Scholar ~ Paladin
    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    Boi if you got kicked for the same thing in over 20 duties I strongly suggest you think hard on whatever the hell it is you're doing

    As I'm sure you are well aware, it takes more than one person to be able to kick a player from a duty, so in all those instances there were at least two people agreeing they'd be better off without you tanking.

  9. #39
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    vigioX-Sun's Avatar
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    Vigiox Sun
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    Balmung
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    Miner Lv 90
    War an DRK just need a few changes to the skills, PLD is suppose to be the utility tank an high mitigation, i can see maybe the dps getting a little nerf(or war an drk dps buff) but thats about it not in utility.
    PLD: high mitigation an raid/self utility "the wall tank", trading damage for defense an protection of alleys
    WAR: The aggressive selfish tank with self sustain sacrificing defense to get damage output not caring about others but himself " The one army man"
    DRK: 50/50 of those not sure, never really understand the DRK spot on tanks besides knowing they got better magic defense. "The darkest Black" xD
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    Last edited by vigioX-Sun; 07-01-2017 at 06:23 AM.

  10. #40
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    Dj_Seaghost's Avatar
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    Revy Strauss
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    Gilgamesh
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by vigioX-Sun View Post
    War an DRK just need a few changes to the skills, PLD is suppose to be the utility tank an high mitigation, i can see maybe the dps getting a little nerf(or war an drk dps buff) but thats about it not in utility.
    PLD: high mitigation an raid/self utility "the wall tank", trading damage for defense an protection of alleys
    WAR: The aggressive selfish tank with self sustain sacrificing defense to get damage output not caring about others but himself
    DRK: 50/50 of those not sure, never really understand the DRK spot on tanks besides knowing they got better magic defense.
    They are for the edgelords spot
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