Paladin nerf INC

[Paladinleeds]

Even if that's the case, extra mitigation still means nothing when the other tanks can still survive the content. Damage is always more desired and always will be until SE does an overhaul which they never will. If you take a large hit and are left with 10k hp instead of 6k it doesn't make a difference, you survived the tank buster you can keep on hitting stuff.

Then frankly if the hardcore are going to bench PLD because of stuff like that, let them bench PLD. Or design fights that having a PLD is useful in. The only way to avoid some classes being better is pure homogeonisation. As in, all perfectly the same, just with different animations. I don't think we want that either. I think each tank should have its own identity even if it means the hardcore bench a certain job again and again. For the less hardcore, they don't care so much.

[vigioX-Sun]

War an DRK just need a few changes to the skills, PLD is suppose to be the utility tank an high mitigation, i can see maybe the dps getting a little nerf(or war an drk dps buff) but thats about it not in utility.
PLD: high mitigation an raid/self utility "the wall tank", trading damage for defense an protection of alleys
WAR: The aggressive selfish tank with self sustain sacrificing defense to get damage output not caring about others but himself " The one army man"
DRK: 50/50 of those not sure, never really understand the DRK spot on tanks besides knowing they got better magic defense. "The darkest Black" xD

[Dj_Seaghost]

War an DRK just need a few changes to the skills, PLD is suppose to be the utility tank an high mitigation, i can see maybe the dps getting a little nerf(or war an drk dps buff) but thats about it not in utility.
PLD: high mitigation an raid/self utility "the wall tank", trading damage for defense an protection of alleys
WAR: The aggressive selfish tank with self sustain sacrificing defense to get damage output not caring about others but himself
DRK: 50/50 of those not sure, never really understand the DRK spot on tanks besides knowing they got better magic defense.

They are for the edgelords spot

[Soraki-Muppe]

Let me predict how the tank balance will be in 5.0.
New tank: deals 2x the damage of a dps, has a permanent 50% damage reduction... just permanent and that is before all the 20s lasting 10s cooldown def buffs, buffs the entire party with 20% damage up and mitigation by simply looking at the boss.
PLD: Will have a shield, just a shield since a sword = to much damage and you might trip and fall on it.
DRK: Will have a mp pool of 1 without any way to increase it, also the sword is a tupperwear sword since it would be dangerous otherwise.
WAR: Has an axe... well not as much an axe as a stick with the word axe written on it, also get a new skill at lvl78 by the name of "poke it" that makes the war poke themselves in the eyes so the screen goes black while the war and the player of said war see nothing, "poke it" share keybind with all the other skills.

But seriously, should PLD be nerfed? No they should not. What should happen is that SE actually listen to the tanking community and balance the tanks. There are countless suggestions on the forums, heck there was countless people voicing their concerns after the media tour after which SE did nothing to change things, had SE listened then we might not have this horrible mess... a mess that will not be solved by nerfing the one tank that happens to be in a good place. There are many things with the current state of tanks that I am angry about but all but one of those has to do with what a needless mess they made out of war, the only other thing is how SE fucked up our attack power calculation.

[TouchandFeel]

DRK: Will have a mp pool of 1 without any way to increase it, also the sword is a tupperwear sword since it would be dangerous otherwise.

Tupperware sword?

I guess that makes sense for DRK since we could store our BlackBlood in it. It better be microwave and oven safe though.

[Soraki-Muppe]

Tupperware sword?

I guess that makes sense for DRK since we could store our BlackBlood in it. It better be microwave and oven safe though.

And the risk of harming yourself if you trip and fall would be way lower. Good for insurance prices.

[Takamorisan]

I think the only possible nerf is the self healing ability, basically you can tank with PLD without healers. Now the other abilities in the toolkit they should keep the way it is or they will end up gimping the class.

Buff WAR and DRK to be on par and that's it. Hate this design philosophy of nerfing to oblivion a class just because the other are not on par.

[Falar]

I guess its official, DRK nerfed to the bottom.

What I don't understand is PLDs claiming 3 years of being "bad". In 2.xx, PLD was king and WAR was 2nd class. In HW, WAR was king with PLD being 3rd. Now in SB PLD is back to being king while DRK got nerfed into the ground---why? Everyone I know assumed WAR nerfs were coming in SB and Yoshi stated PLD was going to get much needed attention (I knew it was going to at least get a spammable AoE and it did) but DRK was never really mentioned but they got hit the hardest with the nerf bat.

[Phoenicia]

What I don't understand is PLDs claiming 3 years of being "bad". In 2.xx, PLD was king and WAR was 2nd class. In HW, WAR was king with PLD being 3rd.

People seriously need to stop b*tching and moaning about the balance state in one other expansion or patch. Imbalance in some previous patch/expansion does NOT justify imbalance now.

Because that is as relevant as saying "PLD is the only viable tank in FFXI with barely any situational competition where Rune master, Puppet master or Ninja being able to fill in, not even replace, but just be an alternative if you don't have the best one." which is NOT relevant at all in case you missed the point.

I mean, based on that logic, PLD here should be nerfed to the ground because in that game PLD has been the best if not the only tank for over 15 years now. WAR should be the only tank in FFXIV, with DRK and PLD being inferior 3rd class citizens that are barely better than a DPS inside their defensive buffs where their only reason for existence is to fill in in case you don't have a WAR...... Which is beyond silly.

What is relevant now is one fact: PLD blows both tanks out of the water in EVERY, SINGLE, RESPECT. Almost to the degree that PLD+PLD is the only combo you want/need. And, ladies and gentlemen, dogs and cats, babies and elderly, THAT is what needs fixing. Not necessarily by nerfing PLD (Please don't, it's FINALLY fun to play), but by bringing the other two tanks back up or close to where they were in HW.

SE buffed PLD with SB and I'm really happy for that. They also finally made it "fun" to play. Now it is not the snore-fest of spamming RoH or ending up not being able to hold hate, all while having the worst DPS, defensive CD gaps, massive TP issues and awkward tank swaps garbage it was in ARR and HW. That's a step in the right direction. HOWEVER, SE did NOT need to go the 100 extra miles to nerf-hammer DRK and WAR to the ground which is absolutely unreasonable.

And before anyone brings up the stupid line of "you're just salty your favorite tank isn't the FotM" crap, it's not a matter of FotM, it's a matter of ruining options. I do not main jobs, I main roles. As such I'm a tank/caster player. I like having my options, in HW and ARR, I enjoyed both caster options, a trend that's continuing in SB while adding a THIRD caster that is also fun and strong. In HW, I enjoyed WAR a lot and DRK wasn't far behind in the "fun" aspect. As things stand now, it's PLD or gtfo. DRK isn't bad at all right now, TBN is fun utility and the blood gauge is interesting, but it's not as "good" as PLD. PLD makes you feel like you're in control of your own fate along with the rest of the parties. Something WAR had a bit of (specially the own part) but was taken from and given to PLD.

WAR was my "favorite" because it was "fun". It had 3 combos instead of 1. It had 5 defensive options + ridiculously short and responsive ultimate instead of 2 + one prohibitively long "ultimate" that you end up dying before it takes effect while still costing you the CD. And it had fluid swapping between defensive and offensive tools. Not to mention a playstyle of "take actions to build towards something", be it fell cleave, unchained or massive self healing. Add the "bring it" attitude the WAR style and animations have and you have an absolute bad-a$$ class. Which was not the case of the snore-fest playstyle that plagued PLD for 4 years where you spam 1, 2, 3 and then press a button to take less damage... once a year.

I won't go into why any of the classes is over or under tuned right as everyone knows that. And if anyone pretends to not know then they're either lying to themselves or don't know much about tanking in this game at all. The point of my post is all about people need to stop justifying imbalance now because of imbalance in some previous patch. Otherwise as a RDM that found tanking on RDM fun in FFXI because it wasn't supposed to work but it did, I will demand that PLD gets deleted in XIV and RDM take its place!

~ Phoenicia ~

[Falar]

People seriously need to stop b*tching and moaning about the balance state in one other expansion or patch. Imbalance in some previous patch/expansion does NOT justify imbalance now.

I don't disagree, but everyone seems to be obsessed with "Leave muh PLD alone, we have always been garbage let us have fun for once!" and they quickly forget what 2.xx was like.