Seeing Red - A Complete Red Mage Guide

[Silverquick]

Well Red Mage is no doubt great dps but certainly not in the # 1spot.
Sam and blm are above it.Contre Sixte i normally use as part of my mellee rotation, cast it just before backflipping basically

I just got Red to 70 yesterday and will be my new main i think

Well the reason it tends to beat BLM in most of the higher level instances has everything to do with the amount of movement required.

In the Lakshimi fight the BLM was able to start really strong with their opener, but as the fight progressed and the movement and mechanics became too much to overcome, so I was able to beat them by a significant amount.

This also happened in Sirensong due to a lot of the Boss Mechanics making it nearly impossible for them to sustain any kind of real damage.

Samurai... well they have been pretty consistenly for the most part a good 600 DPS below me. The one that was able to beat me only did by a very small amount. I am still not sure whether that was due to player skill or not, but so far that's the way its shaken out.

The stronger the mechanics, the more the RDM comes out on top.

[Ferrasper]

Just wait for BLM to get the fight down, and you will see numbers rise from them again. Knowledge is BLMs greatest weapon for runs. I do have a RDM question though. Is our only AOE Contre Sixtre and spamming Scatter? I like everything else about RDM except that part.

[Rinion]

Just wait for BLM to get the fight down, and you will see numbers rise from them again. Knowledge is BLMs greatest weapon for runs. I do have a RDM question though. Is our only AOE Contre Sixtre and spamming Scatter? I like everything else about RDM except that part.

It appears to be Scatter, Moulinet and Contre Sixte, yeah =)

[Declio]

Not sure if someone else brought this up already, or if it's too obvious to even bring up, but a point about using verstone vs. verfire under dual cast:

If you have both verstone and verfire ready at the same time, you should be using the same spell type twice in a row. As an example (under both verstone and verfire ready): hard cast verstone, then DC aero immediately after. If you were to hard cast verstone and then use thunder to stay balanced, you might "overwrite" your existing verfire ready or just fall back into an impact/jolt 2. You can then chain them all the way up to 80/80 without having to cast an impact or jolt 2 (assuming your mana is close enough to stay balanced after two white casts or two black casts in a row).

[Garotte14]

So far its been working just fine...

If you want I can easily send you parce logs up to this point... Red Mage is a top level DPS...

If you want them... just let me know where you want me to send them.

Listen bud, I'm only trying to help. This thread isn't for Epeen and pulling out rulers. If you want to see my parses, I'll gladly send them your way. 4K+ on Lakshmi, but that's not what I was telling you. Using an ogcd is better if you weave it. This is FACT. Is the way you're doing it wrong? No, but you can gain a half second if you just took the advice
I was trying to give you. I'm not saying you're bad or don't know why you're getting all bent out of shape honestly. If you don't like what I'm suggesting, then oh well I guess.

[Maero]

Oh i agree about heavy movement fights and is also part of the reason i want to try Red Mage as main for SB.
I am just saying that blm and SAm are the higher overall dps in game atm.
Sub 70 i have yet to have come across any SAM beat out me as Red Mage, i guess 70 is were stuff gets real? lol

[Garotte14]

Just wait for BLM to get the fight down, and you will see numbers rise from them again. Knowledge is BLMs greatest weapon for runs.

This could be true, but I'm not 100% convinced yet. I have both RDM and BLM at 314. Granted the gear is melded with Crit > DH and not spell speed, but I'm only seeing BLM ahead by 150 DPS on a dummy. With any movement, BLM loses. Even with Triplecast and SC, look at running back and forth in Susano. No way a BLM beats RDM in that fight.

Biggest problem with BLM is they have no buff. Losing Raging hurt a lot. If it was me, I'd have stuck a 10% damage increase in Ley Lines. BLM would need to be at least another 150 DPS ahead of RDM for it to be viable in any fight with movement. This is what I'm seeing with the tests I've run.

[Mordred]

If you have both verstone and verfire ready at the same time, you should be using the same spell twice in a row. As an example (under both verstone and verfire ready): hard cast verstone, then DC verstone immediately after. If you were to hard cast verstone and then use verfire to stay balanced, you might "overwrite" your existing verfire ready or just fall back into an impact/jolt 2. You can then chain them all the way up to 80/80 without having to cast an impact or jolt 2 (assuming your mana is close enough to stay balanced after two white casts or two black casts in a row).

I really don't get this. Don't you need Verstone ready to use Verstone? How do you even DC Verstone back to back??
Also DC Verfire after Verstone is bad already as you better of DC Veraero or Verthunder which has higher damage and increase more mana.

[Declio]

I really don't get this. Don't you need Verstone ready to use Verstone? How do you even DC Verstone back to back??
Also DC Verfire after Verstone is bad already as you better of DC Veraero or Verthunder which has higher damage and increase more mana.

You're right--what I meant was Verstone > aero (white to white) as opposed to Verstone > thunder (white to black). Will edit my post.

[Silverquick]

Oh i agree about heavy movement fights and is also part of the reason i want to try Red Mage as main for SB.
I am just saying that blm and SAm are the higher overall dps in game atm.

Well the real problem and why BLM damage doesn't translate into the game or SB instances very well is that Yoshi didn't do what he said he was going to do and unlock Fire IV from the Enochian cycle.

Heck if you could go straight from a Fire 3 into a Fire 4 it would be different. But you can't. So when the movement comes you end up completely hosed as a BLM.

It might change the rotation a bit if you could do things this way, but in the end it would allow BLM to actually use some of that power rather than be stuck in even worse shoes than they were in HW. Formerly the timer was still going if that happened so you could potentially start it back up or renew it with a Bliz 3 to bliz 4, but SB... once you lose your stacks its done.