A PSA to all upset tank players

[Doki]

When I first hit 70 dungeons, I had a nightmare time holding hate due to the difference in gear levels from people that had already done some grinding. It's sort of gotten better now that I am full 310 gear. It's still not HW levels of easy peasy emnity control, but nothing too awful. If I had one complaint, it would be that they took away my dot damage on DRK. It isn't that I miss the damage really, it's that I am so used to my old rotation that it feels like I am missing a finger now.

[Leigaon]

Each expansion I decide to try to take up a new role and learn more about it. 4.0, before I read anything, was my tanks turn. I was going to take up PLD b/c that was the under-dog, then people cried WAR

So I took up the G.Axe, I got to say I'm really enjoying it. Though I'm not connected in the old ways of tanking I simply used it blindly to get through roulettes for quick tomes. This time, I'm actually trying..

I see a lot of things about Enmity / TP issues as WAR. I'm not having nearly as hard of a time, sure I have my moments but I need to actually try. Maybe that's why I'm having fun.

PLD I just geared up and set up my hotbar, it feels the exact same to me except I can't sheltron every 30s. PLD doesn't feel like it was hit at all by the gauges. Looks cool though at least. With the exception of the 4 oGCD, It feels like it did at 50 for me now.

Yeah I put my 2 cents in that thread. I basically said by returning tank damage calculation to STR, the DPS disparity between tanks and DPS will only increase, and the more DPS decreases, the more aggro will decrease and that I don't enjoy having to spam Butch'ers Block..

Are we talking strictly about EX trials and future savage content? I'm just curious, I try not to jump only to certain points. Like I couldn't comment on how bad things would be at 70 as others say, so I always made a point saying I'm not 70. I'm now 70 and still am not having the issues in the dungeons. I plan to make time for Ex trials this weekend, is that where I'll actually start to use BB a bit more? Right now I barely use it at all.

...at the same time it shows what some people are starting to think of WAR tanks.

This is what makes it spread, are threads where someone reads something is bad but wasn't really given a shot.
"Warrior is horrible now!"
"why?"
"b/c some guy on a you-tube video said so and posted so on reddit."
"...the internet doesn't lie."

At least when I linked to Xeno's video, I did it because, as I stated before, I don't play WAR, nor do I claim to understand how WAR works, and Xeno is the best WAR I've seen...

I actually wasn't referring to the Xeno person, but it seems to have sparked something so that's at least good. There's always a person on you-tube who has an opinion and gets the hive-mind going. So pointing to an individual person? No. If you took at as a personal shot at that person, that's more of a real life personal issue but that's okay I can see how it could have been taken in the other light.

I'm sure that person is an excellent warrior, but I'm allowed to come to my own conclusions rather than join the hive-mind. I know "We came to these conclusions of our own free will" ...I'm sure you have, as have all the tempered seem to think so.

In the end you need to experience it yourself to see where these problems are, or if they're even problems to begin with. Enmity / TP / the use of the new moves, all of these I held my tongue and listened as I leveled Warrior.

I'm 70 now, I haven't ran into this issue to make it a huge deal. If I did, and here's the kicker the part 90% of the player base refuses to admit, it's b/c of me the user! And gasp you should little one! Mess up with a duty of my role and instead of blaming the system I..work on it? How dare I!

So now I tell myself, lets finish off the last little bit. Lets to take some EX trials! If I can get through the trials and beyond without all these concerns coming back to me as others have voiced their concerns about how "Trashy" it is? Then it makes me question whether it's the system or the player.

Then again, I may jump to EX and hit the wall like the others. I can't say, so I hold these negative opinions open for what I haven't experienced. To not go through it yourself and just agree? I can't do that. Sorry!

Unchained being on the same cd for IR is kinda dumb, and people haven't been happy about that.

I will admit that's the one thing that makes me a sad panda, was using it and going "My eyes glow..red..like the rest of my body" only to know I won't be using it very much. They could do something like have it give certain perks depending on your stance to give more of a bloodbath type of move and unhook it from Unchained, or maybe that's way too powerful?

[FallenWings]

Recently did a Roulette Dungeon where the second I joined one of the DPS said "Oh great, a warrior tank prepare yourself healer you are going to be healing a lot due to loss of enmity" I proved him wrong by holding aggro the entire time but at the same time it shows what some people are starting to think of WAR tanks.

Your mistake was regarding the opinion of an uneducated DF stain as valuable.

[Pori_Dessu]

This is what makes it spread, are threads where someone reads something is bad but wasn't really given a shot.
"Warrior is horrible now!"
"why?"
"b/c some guy on a you-tube video said so and posted so on reddit."
"...the internet doesn't lie."

At least when I linked to Xeno's video, I did it because, as I stated before, I don't play WAR, nor do I claim to understand how WAR works, and Xeno is the best WAR I've seen, and a player I respect as a player. And as stated many times before by many others: Yeah, YOU may be enjoying the way it is right now, the problem is there's a big part of an already small part of the players that IS NOT! And how exactly is that healthy for the game as a whole? It's the same with the healers right now. They went: "Oh, there's a lack of tank/healer players, so let's make 1-2/3 of the tanks unhappy, and 1-2/3 of the healers as well, this way EVERYTHING WILL BE DAIJOUBU".
And as I also stated before: Don't come saying "The balance of the population's roles has always been bad in MMORPGs", because using that as an argument against trying to improve the situation for a part of the players that want the changes is just conformism, or a more ridiculous way of saying "I like it how it is, screw you". At least if you say the latter, you're being honest.

[NinefoldRakshasa]

PLD hate is dumb. LOL. They have been absolutely GARBAGE compared to DRK and WAR for a long time even excluded from raid groups because of their lack of mitigation against Magic Damage. They get a buff and people start crying. Let them have a bit of time in the spot light ffs. quit crying.

The PLD hate comes directly from them now being smug assholes and saying that the other 2 jobs should stay in the shit position they're now in, contrary to that I don't remember WARs or DRKs saying that PLD should remain garbage.
So yes, the hate is completely justified and will only get worse.

[Rasylia]

The PLD hate comes directly from them now being smug assholes and saying that the other 2 jobs should stay in the shit position they're now in, contrary to that I don't remember WARs or DRKs saying that PLD should remain garbage.
So yes, the hate is completely justified and will only get worse.

Except that not all PLD's are like that. Hating someone because he is playing the same class as some asshole doesnt justify treating him the same way you would treat the asshole.

[NinefoldRakshasa]

Except that not all PLD's are like that. Hating someone because he is playing the same class as some asshole doesnt justify treating him the same way you would treat the asshole.

Ever heard the saying "One rotten apple spoils the bunch"? It applies in full force here. WAR is in a pretty bad position right now, DRK got dumbed down a bit but is still decent, the only thing WAR discrimination will do at this point is shrink the already pathetic tank pool even more, since while going from WAR to DRK is a step down in terms of fun, going from WAR to PLD is literally getting a lobotomy for about 70% of real WAR main (not the fotm playing trash, which also seems to be the vocal part hating on WAR right now).

[Derio]

It doesn't help anyone. If only 1 tank job is good and the others are crap, what does that do to everyones queues

[Lewtskie]

So an idea for Warrior. They removed Bloodbath because the level of sustain you had made WARs able to 'tank' in Deliverance, yes? Could we not bring it back but instead have it share its cooldown with Inner Release much like Unchained does now? Unchained being on the same cd for IR is kinda dumb, and people haven't been happy about that. Then make it so for the duration it drops your IB cost to 30, so then you could easily do a 1-2-3 Storm's Path > Inner Beast immediately. That level of sustain in that window would be so good without being completely broken, yes? Momma Bear drinks deep of her foe's blood protecting her little cubs!

[iluvOP]

Ha ha haaa!
I could not be happier with Paladin! Jokes on every other tank!