The Royal Menagerie

[HyoMinPark]

This fight is what we should expect out of the final fight of a main story expansion. I was not at all disappointed, and every time people groan about getting it in Trials Roulette, I just kinda look at them like "Are you mad because you actually can't press one button and clear this fight?" I made macros explaining mechanics to new people, and the last group I had, each pull only got better.

Please, do NOT nerf this fight, SE. Leave it as is. I'm sure it will get easier once we start outgearing it, but still. This fight is great.

[EdwinLi]

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It will nerf itself once more players are ilvl 310 and higher. The difficult is mostly contributed by players being between ilvl 280 to 290 gear which makes the fight drag on longer than a group of ilvl 310 and higher gear members.

The longer the fight takes the more prone to mistakes people get as platforms get destroyed and TP and MP recovery becomes more needed which is why it is best to always have someone with MP recovery for the healers currently until more people are geared.

[KisaiTenshi]

I'd argue an exception in a 24 man (Is there any other fight in the whole game that starts on P2?)

You forgot about Greg.

You're lucky.

I did not complete this place until after my 34th wipe attempted due to being in DF group. This is certainly a fight that is not easily cleared with random people with ilvl 280 to ilvl 290 gear but most likely will be easier with ilvl 310 and higher later.

It took 4 wipes with the same party for me, only replacing one tank twice. Usually the ilevel of gear doesn't make as big of a difference as skill does until there's a really large gap. So think ilevel 330 since the minimum is 270.

I don't want this fight to get nerfed, it's plenty fun.

[HyoMinPark]

It will nerf itself once more players are ilvl 310 and higher. The difficult is mostly contributed by players being between ilvl 280 to 290 gear which makes the fight drag on longer than a group of ilvl 310 and higher gear members.

I already commented that the fight would get easier once we started outgearing it. Regardless, I don't think the "getting 7 other randoms to cooperate and do mechanics" mechanic will ever go away. And sometimes, part of the fun is learning to adjust with 7 other random players (and some of the difficult doesn't come from the fight itself, but from the party members).

As for the refreshes, the group I was in last time, our final pull, I didn't have to touch either of my refreshes (I was running on BRD). Most of the MP strain comes from unnecessary raises, and the more people learn to deal with the mechanics properly, the less unnecessary deaths and raises there will be.

[HyperSMB]

As for the refreshes, the group I was in last time, our final pull, I didn't have to touch either of my refreshes (I was running on BRD). Most of the MP strain comes from unnecessary raises, and the more people learn to deal with the mechanics properly, the less unnecessary deaths and raises there will be.

I SERIOUSLY want to echo this. A decent healer can mana sustain themselves through everything but the hardest AoE spam UNLESS you force us to rez three people in 20 seconds. That DESTROYS MP bars and there is little a non WHM popping Thin Air can do to mitigate the hurt quick raises inflict.

[Sylvina]

Like Susano, it's a good fight except for the super lame quicktime event button spam mechanic. Some of us play the game on PC with a keyboard and mouse like MMOs are meant to be played.

[seraseth]

You're lucky.

I did not complete this place until after my 34th wipe attempted due to being in DF group. This is certainly a fight that is not easily cleared with random people with ilvl 280 to ilvl 290 gear but most likely will be easier with ilvl 310 and higher later.

First pug group wiped 4 times and fell apart. Second wiped 5 times. Third try went with 6 ppl from fc and 2 randoms and cleared first try. There was much cheering on discord for those of use that needed the clear. Was a great fight!

[EdwinLi]

Like Susano, it's a good fight except for the super lame quicktime event button spam mechanic. Some of us play the game on PC with a keyboard and mouse like MMOs are meant to be played.

The quick time event can be passed by using 'WASD" as well. Using both WASD and clicking the button with the mouse will actually fill up the QTE bar faster than a console controller does.

First pug group wiped 4 times and fell apart. Second wiped 5 times. Third try went with 6 ppl from fc and 2 randoms and cleared first try. There was much cheering on discord for those of use that needed the clear. Was a great fight!

Trials for 4.0 are certainly not for the light hearted and lay back people compared to 2.0 and 3.0. DF is full of light hearted and lay back people that gotten use to the average difficulty level of 2.0 and 3.0 story content Trials but 4.0 Trials are a real wake up call to them that they cannot be taking things easy anymore.

[Sylvina]

The quick time event can be passed by using 'WASD" as well. Using both WASD and clicking the button with the mouse will actually fill up the QTE bar faster than a console controller does.



Trials for 4.0 are certainly not for the light hearted and lay back people compared to 2.0 and 3.0. DF is full of light hearted and lay back people that gotten use to the average difficulty level of 2.0 and 3.0 story content Trials but 4.0 Trials are a real wake up call to them that they cannot be taking things easy anymore.

This is entirely the wrong way to think about it. People who take the game too seriously and can't be light hearted and laid back tend to be jerks who pollute the community. I have no desire to EVER run with anyone who isn't light hearted and laid back.

When I did this I managed to beat it in a party FULL of light hearted and laid back people, so... why would you even make this argument?

[EdwinLi]

This is entirely the wrong way to think about it. People who take the game too seriously and can't be light hearted and laid back tend to be jerks who pollute the community. I have no desire to EVER run with anyone who isn't light hearted and laid back.

When I did this I managed to beat it in a party FULL of light hearted and laid back people, so... why would you even make this argument?

You misunderstand what i mean by light hearted and laid back. I am not talking about personality but by content being how people gotten use to easy level content due to how simple 2.0 and 3.0 trials have been for Story mode Trial content.

When I said these things I am talking about people who have gotten very use to the 2.0 and 3.0 story content difficulty level being easy to face roll through without much require effort or has far more room to recover from mistakes compared to 4.0 trial difficulty which has far less room to recover from if not instantly kill a player for making 1 mistake.

A lot of people now are adjusting to this sudden increase in Story Trial difficulty since 2.0 and 3.0 did not fully prepare them for this new difficulty level in 4.0.

Sorry if the misunderstanding offended you in anyway.