Forbidden Materia

[TheVedis]

lol...0/89 for that queer tonberry, and you think you know what it's like to be on the "poo" end of the stick?? I don't even remember what his pop time was, but try going 0/40ish on Argus -ya, the NM that you could know the pop time for and still end up waiting 12 hours for him to pop. That was one of my friends. I was lucky enough to go like....2/7 or so. And you know the funny thing about it? I actually enjoyed it. And the reason, why, is simple...camping NMs is "a completely different animal" as some hicks like to say. At least w/ NMs you can't "lose" everything you worked for after already putting in a tremendous amount of effort. I don't mind making ppl sink time into something as long as it's always "productive." What's absurd, is that SE has made it where you could spend days, even months, farming enough materia or stuff to make gil, get all the mats you need to make your godly gear, BUST on every single one, and then start from scratch. You lose TIME (like w/ nms); you lose GIL (not like w/ nms): and you lose something you already WORKED your A#$ off for (not like w/ nms). SE needs to find a more innovative way to "take up our time" than simply hitting the "repeat button" for everything.

id like to chime in and say its actualy quite similar to NMs in a way you are not looking at

yes, you only lose time at first glance with NMs compared to materia

BUT when camping those NMs, you are doing literaly nothing, so not only are you losing time, your losing productivity, time you could be spending doing something else

with materia, you are making money to make materia, you are spending your time actualy doing something instead of just sitting there waiting for a pop


so in the end, you can technicaly say you lost a ton of money camping NMs too since you coulda been farming during all that time instead of sitting there twiddling your thumbs


either way, farming NMs or materia, is all pure choice
and with materia, you dont have to do forbidden, you can settle for a nice full set of single slotted materia and be more then ok with it, but those who want to better themselves have chosen to take the bad with the good and that again is their choice

[Khal_Drogo]

...yes, you only lose time at first glance with NMs compared to materia

BUT when camping those NMs, you are doing literaly nothing, so not only are you losing time, your losing productivity, time you could be spending doing something else

with materia, you are making money to make materia, you are spending your time actualy doing something instead of just sitting there waiting for a pop


so in the end, you can technicaly say you lost a ton of money camping NMs too since you coulda been farming during all that time instead of sitting there twiddling your thumbs

The best thing about NM camping is that, once you know the pop time, you're pretty much set. Argus was one of the worst NMs in XI, b/c even w/ a pop time, you might still be there for 12 hours. However, it was hardly unproductive, because once you DID get your item, it was instant gratification. You get the drop, you're done. Yes, you could have made a lot of gil while farming instead, but the same is true for materia. All the money and time you HAVE to blow to get the additional materia on an item could have been spent doing something much more productive -like twiddling your thumbs, waiting for a pop. What's worse to you:

Farming for days, buying a bunch of gear and materia, "throwing away all the mats you just bought," and then doing it all again? or...


"Twiddling your thumbs," waiting for an NM to pop, having him not drop the item, running off and doing something else, then coming back later to try again?


I don't mind doing something "unproductive." What i DO mind though...is doing something "productive" and then having all of that hard work and effort rendered useless in a matter of minutes. That's what the materia system offers.


Let me break it down, so it makes more sense:

NM Camping: Time, Money, and Effort = "GODLY ITEM"

Materia Acquisition: Time, Money, and Effort = ****ATTEMPT**** at a "GODLY ITEM"

[HoolieWho]

NM Camping: Time, Money, and Effort = ****ATTEMPT**** at a "GODLY ITEM"

Materia Acquisition: Time, Money, and Effort = ****ATTEMPT**** at a "GODLY ITEM"

Fixed that for you.

[TheVedis]

Fixed that for you.

lol yeah, you didnt get 100% drops thats for damn sure

and lets not forget the gimped version of the items that came around when they rare/exd everything the NMs dropped

[Khal_Drogo]

Fixed that for you.

Well, if you want to be a smart a#@ about it, I'll explain it further...

When you camp an NM for hours, you *always get a pop, and you *always get a chance to claim/kill it. You don't have to go farm something for hours, to make gil, to buy items, to get the nm to pop or anything absurd like that....you just CAMP.

When you try to meld additional materia, you HAVE to either farm to make gil, so you can buy materia, or go and spiritbond gear for hours, pray you get the type you want, then you finally manage to get to a point where you can take all that time you've ALREADY wasted, and gamble it on the item.

With an NM, I already meet the requirements to "obtain my godly item" -i have space in my inventory. I don't need a s!#$load of gil; I don't need to exp, so I can get some stupid item that allows me an "attempt" at the claim; I just sit there, and wait for a pop. So, you're essentially asking someone to farm for hours in order to make their "NM pop." I don't know how to be any clearer. Do you understand the difference?

NM= time sitting, effort claiming, and a loss of gil incurred by wasting the time camping instead* of farming.

Materia Melding= time farming, effort succeeding w/ a meld, and a loss of gil incurred by wasting time getting the materia and/or farming to make gil and then the loss of all that gil by **attempting** to get your item

Imagine that the NM is the Materia Melding attempt: the NM has a poor drop rate; the Meld has a poor success rate. I didn't have to do a thing to get a chance at my drop. You had to farm for hours; and w/o gil you will NEVER get your item. Without a party to help you and other ppl spritbond their gear to make materia, you will NEVER get your material for your item. Without crafters making the gear you keep blowing up, you will NEVER even have a all the pieces of gear you want to meld materia to, and so on...