Boycotting Warrior 4.0 (Let's do it!)

[aleph_null]

I've discussed this with many people, I think given the performance gap between good players and average players in this game it's impossible to design encounters that require high tank stance and healing uptime without making them too hard for most people. The amount of attention to details that the top groups put is just out of reach for most of the playerbase. If even the best tanks who can perfectly time and manage their cooldowns and coordinate with their equally skilled healers have to stay in tank stance most of the time, with the healers actively healing most of the time, then most of us average raiders won't even have a chance to clear the raid. It's just not realistic. Most of the DF/RF/PF groups that clear a12s aren't even close to the top groups' level of (lack of) tank stance and healing uptime.

Those tanks in the deletemonk/angered/elysium groups mitigate way better than your average tanks in grit 24/7, and require less heals. What takes their healers 5 casts of healing spells probably takes average healers 10. What takes their tanks 0% grit/defiance uptime probably takes more than 70% on average tanks. Average players compensate for their lack of skills and coordination by having higher tank stance uptime and more heals. If you make contents "challenging" enough to make those great players need like even 50% tank stance or healing uptime, then the clear rates will plummet. We'll get another gordias tier, except it's not about dps checks but tank/heal checks. Let's step back a moment and look at midas savage. How much of our playerbase actually cleared a8s pre echo? How much of us (who even managed to get there) struggled with mitigation and healing in the second (adds) phase and the last part before J storm of that fight? If you want something more challenging than creator savage for tanks/healers go ahead and do a8s min ilv sync.

Let me ask, among those who think that tanking in full dps stance is trivial, how many of you have actually cleared a12s with both tanks out of tank stance throughout the whole fight?