Thread: Boycotting Warrior 4.0 (Let's do it!)

Warriors are fine you just not the best thing fucking ever anymore and your just slightly behind paladins, your grievance are not nearly anywhere close to DRKs, an no this isn't a grass is greener thing, we lost more skills then you to roles that weren't replace, we factually do less damage then you, have less hp and mitigation tools. I'm salty about bloodbath too i cross classed it, but for what you lost to what you gained its about neutral compared to DRKS.

Originally Posted by Mnemosynia

we lost more skills then you to roles that weren't replace

Uuuh what?

Foresight, Fracture, Bloodbath and Mercy Stroke without direct replacement
Scourge and Delirium without direct relacement

I would love to have Bloodbath and Mercy Stroke back as role skills xD

Having skills moved to cross role is a strange thing to complain about, since they at least still available.

Originally Posted by Alphras

Uuuh what?

Foresight, Fracture, Bloodbath and Mercy Stroke without direct replacement
Scourge and Delirium without direct relacement

Lost the following, Shadowskin, Scourge, Low Blow, Reprisal, Dark Dance, Delirium. Foresight, Bloodbath, Half the potency on Unleash, Potency loss on dark passenger double the mana cost now (not even joking here its not even worth it to use anymore, Overall Damage nerf, Overall Threat nerf. (yes i know both is aimed at the role it self) Lost these respective DRK combos.

Delirium Combo and the int down status
BP+DA+AD (Conva)
DA+DD
FS+SS Tankbuster negation if you have vul (helped me alot in sophia when she busts no pun intended)
DA+DP because mana cost is insane
Any form of BP + anything spam (BP gives back terrible mana.

Things gained.
SS+Grit is a give you back mana equiv to one DA
TBN a bubble that cost blood 20% of you max hp shield
Quietus and aoe skill that is on GCD that builds no enmity
Bloodspiller decent nuke
And awareness (cross class you won't get crit for 20seconds)
You can now DA+SS if you mana cap out
Delirium now extends the duration of BP and BW 60 sec cd


I understand you don't play DRKS so its not for you to know but we lost far then you think, thats not a 1 for 1 list thats like a .04/1 list :/

Originally Posted by Mnemosynia

Shadowskin

No

Originally Posted by Mnemosynia

Low Blow

No

Originally Posted by Mnemosynia

Reprisal

Partially

Originally Posted by Mnemosynia

Dark Dance

Partially

Originally Posted by Mnemosynia

Delirium

Only the INT down, like MNK, STR debuff on PLD and damage debuff on WAR. And potencies were increased to compensate.

And for the overall damage nerf, I'm not really sure, since Bloodspiller can be used more frequently that what Scourge could, Darkside was buffed, and the longer Blood Weapon (And the shorter recast) means you can maintain fast attacks longer...and of course, you can DA Syphon Strike for the highest average potency on a basic combo of all the three tanks.

As for the mana cost on Dark Passenger, yes, it's higher, but not increased a much as the capacity to keep a decent amount of MP, mainly thanks to Delirium.

Originally Posted by Reynhart

No

No

Partially

Partially

Only the INT down, like MNK, STR debuff on PLD and damage debuff on WAR. And potencies were increased to compensate.

On reprisal Original DRK reprisal was 20seconds and had potency new reprisal last 5seconds and no potency on a 60second cd thats not the DRK reprisal it has the same name its not the same skill.

On Low blows our low blow again had potency and a chance to reset on Parrys the new low has no potency and does not do that again its named the same not our skill.

On shadow skin yea we lost it, it was moved to role skills we coulda had shadow skin and rampart but ill give that to you anyways.

Dark Dance was lost period its not ours 30% evasion loss on the skill with DA again its named the same but its not the same skill.

And yes we lost delirium THE OFFICAL PAGE says we lost delirium sure was have a skill that has the same name BUT AGAIN its not our skill it just has the same name.

Just because something has the same not does not mean its the same yoshi decided to pull some Orwellian nonsense DRKs in particular.

Originally Posted by Azurein

What is with this "us" and "we" crap? If I recall everyone can play all classes. If you like one of them more than the other enough to main it then fine but that does not make you some kind of faction. If Dark Knight sucks then you discuss on how to fix it, if War sucks then you discuss how to fix it and if Pally sucks then you discuss how to fix it. Stop this "you got nerfed! Hahaha that's what you get!" behavior, seriously. Whats wrong with wanting the class you like to be fun?

What are talking about, i don't think WARs in any respect are bad atm at no point did i say haha u guys got nerfed im saying your in a decent spot DRKs are far worse off YOUR drawing that inference.

Originally Posted by Pavise

When a DRK complains about increased mana costs but doesn't realise they no longer drain mana like a leaky tap with Darkside anymore...

Only on Dark Passenger because the nerf was unwarranted and it cost so much you'd just rather AD or use something else in its place is why, moral of the sorry why use A skill if B skill cost alot less with more enmity and potency.

Originally Posted by Mnemosynia

On reprisal Original DRK reprisal was 20seconds and had potency new reprisal last 5seconds and no potency on a 60second cd thats not the DRK reprisal it has the same name its not the same skill.

That's why I said partially. And removing the damage part is a good thing to stop trigger happy players from burning their utility skills right away for DPS and not having them ready for when it matters. And being able to pop it without the parry requirement is awesome.

Originally Posted by Mnemosynia

On Low blows our low blow again had potency and a chance to reset on Parrys the new low has no potency and does not do that again its named the same not our skill.

Again, see above, that's a good thing to remove the damage part. And without the damage part, the reset is not that important.

Originally Posted by Mnemosynia

Dark Dance was lost period its not ours 30% evasion loss on the skill with DA again its named the same but its not the same skill.

That's why I said partially. And frankly, we have so much things to Dark Arts now, the evasion boost wouldn't have been that useful.

Originally Posted by Mnemosynia

And yes we lost delirium THE OFFICAL PAGE says we lost delirium sure was have a skill that has the same name BUT AGAIN its not our skill it just has the same name.

I wasn't refering to the new Delirium but the damage boost on SoulEater combo making its basic version the same as Delirium combo.
So, you only lost the INT debuff...and the animation, which was indeed much cooler than SoulEater

Personally, I would like to have a third combo too, if it could end in Scourge but it would feel very copy-pasted from PLD.